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Max Martin is known to our listeners of the voice behind the Made To Move Minute, which ran for a couple of years on our podcast. He is also co-owner of iNform Health and Fitness Solutions in Norwood, Corrective Exercise Australia, and is an immediate past member of the Fitness Australia board. He also loves running, riding bikes, red wine, and gadgets. So, tonight, we have him on the show to talk about all those things and more and see if Nigel and I can keep up the pace.
Max, do you enjoy red wine because you know you’ve banked some calorie burning?
I’ve got a watch that tells the time, gets notifications from my phone but also counts steps. I am hooked, is that a good thing?
What gadgets help, what ones hinder?
What is a good combination?
Can we measure too much?
Questions from listeners:
Bruce Andrew Gannon how does it work technology wise?
DT I’m taking on a new job later in January, and it will be quite public. I’m carrying some extra weight around my girth and under my chin. What can I do in a few weeks to make my body great?
Anna Votino Fitbits, Garmin, Apple watches etc are all radio emitting devices therefore how healthy are they long term? You just have to wonder especially if you’re wearing them all day – and at night as well to check your sleeping patterns. ???????????? I guess by wearing them it gives you more motivation to get healthy therefore keeping illnesses at bay! Just a thought but I’m sure sometime in the future there will be debate on it if further evidence, if there is any, comes to light!
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|01:26:02|| Musical Pilgrimage
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The interview transcript
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max martin is known to our listeners as the voice behind the made to move minute which went for a couple of years on our podcast he’s also co-owner of inform health and fitness solutions in norwood corrective exercise australia and is an immediate past number of the fitness tracker board he also loves running riding bikes red wine and gadgets so tonight we had on the show to talk about all these things and more and see if Nigel and I can keep up the pace max Matt and welcome to the formal part of broadcast and keep going to be here max before we talk about the rest of the material i will just touch on the red wine one more time although at the moment you are hardly drinking much at all in the past you have talked on this program about enjoying a nice red wine yeah whatnot yes do you think the reason you can enjoy it is you feel like you thanked the capacity to your exercise to be resilient against the the caloric I pelo that comes with with red line or something more to it than I not look at my enjoyment of wine come sunday was a couple of different levels Lonnie’s the flavor and the experience of sitting around with a bunch of friends and sharing something that you know beautiful that’s been made from the land I’m you know so that that’s a very big aspect all that interesting from a health research perspective we know that having wanted to alcoholic drinks it is actually beneficial for our health as well so there’s there’s nothing wrong from that perspective at all i’m just at the moment you had a very picky last year with a lot of work staff and kind of held suffer the leader be just the amount of exercise and just there’s this nagging and all that sort of thing so i just kind of clean things right out and and the one thing that why industrious so while good from the cardiovascular health perspective years is it does thought are the sideburn affect communities it actually kind of get in front of the to you from a metabolic perspective and so we’ve got a parent those calories before anything else now one or two wine a diet longer fits you know balance that with everything else that we doing not a big issue just for me at the moment over this last couple of months it’s been very very low amount yet but really enjoying the 142 that excellent and the the scene that courthouse on to this topic for our conversation tonight is the fact that in that it was november i lashed out and finally bought myself a smartwatch and this watch hands my steps and it puts up front and center on the watch space and I have become intrigued by the whole world of step counting which until then was completely foreign to me yeah because i never bought a standalone device for doing that i didn’t even realize my iphone was counting my steps anyway after for you yeah I had no idea that was the case but now i’ve got this thing and what I’ve noticed is I become a bit hort first of all after the shock of realizing that the first few days I why I did it was racking up about 1,800 steps today I’ve since learned that’s really bad and I have been almost obsessive about getting it up every week getting that step count up why not I’ve set myself an absolute floor of six thousand steps today is the minimum that I don’t feel good we’ll clean and I don’t at least that if i crack 10 and like attached yeah I haven’t done that once again be fair and but I figure coming from what was probably an average of 1803 and your love three times more than that getting generally in the high fours to now seeks my you bottle and is that just dangerous for me to be so obsessed about it I their wishes from this or should generally net good yeah forgot i think it really depends on the individual and how the individual approaches that you know for us obviously attitude change behavior i need to tool that actually I’m harness I behavior innocence never teach you that feedback very immediately you can until halfway through the day without your tracking along or not and then how do you modify the rest of the date sorry you know i’m sure we’ll we’ll expand on this a lot more but i think that’s one of the really really good things about this tools it’s that away in kind of like you found out on my goodness Molly cooing 1800 space and probably faster you I mean I don’t know what I would have come here or that you know yeah right is that high that lawyer so the first thing is now you know you can I which then drives change and you started to for that change in place i’m certainly they can be a level off and now use the word addiction probably a little bit of a strong word but that you’ve been very very focused on achieving the outcome but i think it’s sustainable and its not been investigating Iran to every other area of your life then I think this different internet game here and it positive would you say there is an ideal number of students today that we should be able to have life unit and those things talk about you gotta find 30 minutes a day hey is there such a thing as a magic number of steps or is it more nuanced but I look I did the Maya Cuttack typically given to people to 10,000 steps are really on so that’s where the recommendation comes to that ideally within 10,000 steps into that right arm which is to be got right here but i think that is couch together with a number of other things that you don’t so you might not necessarily get the since I you’re doing training in the gym which is you know you doin resistance training is higher intensity so that sort of sign will count more than more casual states for example front so the intensity of exercise is really important i’m just going to point it out are you gonna watch as well and even among those who my running stuff well notice there’s nothing that can I can run our which is the most common type and not actually achieve my daily set maximum because obviously when you’re running the next more like a pice correct and they’re not they’re not as many and it actually count the number of steps totally ignoring that you know the amount of effort correct that anything you can’t is much much higher when you run then walking so yeah yeah i think even that mug indications I think you know if it’s good for tracking the the non-exercise the exercise that you do get the walking around tips as opposed to when you have to the expression or continue to run or bike or something when i picked up on something there is there such a thing as junk steps and health steps like a some steps with more than others it depends on what the outcome is I look I think broadly night that you know one of the big things that we always try to talk to our client is trying to move more because by and large x large obviously we don’t move enough so Jung states for good fit I’m one of the things that I wanted to bring out for example is one of the things that we know is that sedentary behavior is now where some being inactive right so being in activities categorized as you don’t reach the amount of activity that you need on a daily basis so half an hour it’s now increasing close to an hour ago because of their ways that they hope the health of the population is he’s calling I’m but for example you could do you have an hour of exercise today and you seat for 10 hours of the day and then you’re basically wiping the benefits the health benefits of that half an hour of exercise so you’re back at square one and so one of the chi things that we’re trying to do it you know we got one of the maids move minutes for example that I discuss was sitting is the new smoking years and we know that from a health perspective that’s very much true seating for half an l a– without actually getting up is the equivalent of having one cigarette and so that chance that could very much be getting up from your days walking over to the graphic lots of water and come back and if you’ve broken up that seeking time I then that’s really valuable yet actually got there is having depends on how you can offset up that you got so to compute the office he have one of the standing wonder they’re sitting and you end that way I the way I work out of my guitar computer but go well means in it or maybe use a separate network we’re talking access far laptop which are then put on pile of boxes right there stand up their socks or slippers ittt between you’re standing up for heart but I’m sitting down I don’t throw so research into the ring this is a question without notice for you max Matt and bring it on I listen often to the Harvard Business Review idea car isn’t and they had a an academic being interviewed and talking about office behavior and health and whatnot and they said they often don’t recommend the stand-up desk so Steven your Steven a hybrid setup- I’m because it’s documented that is at least a six months adjustment period in which your productivity goes down because your physical body is multitasking you’re trying that you have more typos you miss things I because you’re we’re not used to good having this lot of people are going well the other ones are going I think it depends on your initial level since I I look at things like I i totally agree i haven’t read that that paper but it would make a lot of sense to me and i’ll try parallel I’m for example with sickness ball you know the big sweet balls are things I am with you for sticking around for a while and we still do we tell people to ideally they can see it on one of the boys on the test kits better than sitting on a chair but I’m the reason for that is I it helps activate muscles because you’ve got a balanced chemical you know you can call upon an executive chair you can’t fall asleep on a bolt it doesn’t mean you’ve got their posture are you being more active right now can people often side of the ball because the else with my posture you can really slouch in the ball anyway but you’re balancing however I we tell people to start 15 minutes at a time progresses to 20 minutes at a time half an hour at a time in an office setting ideally shareable between two or three people so is that because you’re using muscles that are not used to working that why more that long you know would be like saying you know ok Steve we’re going to go on run American before we learn how to 15 kilometers and so will give similar concept with the stand-up is standing up for a long period of time reducing a lot more muscle mass and so it goes back 2nite response if you don’t have the sweetness to do that you can feel what I’ll show as you help corporations you could have a slope and share boulder and so the guy can offers for could have just a few balls and get on sharing them as the first step and then get up and then get up and I’m not gonna get your own board whether do you create your regular paychecks i’m aiso on this note because what you’re saying to me max is that your the research you’re looking at is saying more increasing the incidental fitness throughout the day is much better for us than just having one burst and doing nothing 41 verse 2 still good provided there wasn’t nothing that followed 41 verse class identity would be the winner office and I’ve seen this ad on TV a few times by a last week I don’t watch a lot of TV but we are away on holiday ask my wife was watching the tennis and there were these ads are becoming one of the vitamin fuel companies and they have these vignettes of people doing their daily work and then looking at some sports clothes and they slip on their wet suit or they grabbed the squash racquet and it’s all about you can make choices of the diner in an executive in an office and he put opened his drawer equals that is driving shoes and you see him going down the passageway going out for a run and the receptionist comes up to asking something and it holds his hand darkers know how you’re doing this is my time and that is all about being a better me or whatever and their message is basically take vitamins yes despite the fact that up until that there is no I think that were on the right track making those choices for incidental things this yeah the thing there and if you take your vitamin then you all become that physically active and write that will come along with the take the bottom and that’s not the case is it not like not of course eating at emphasize the inference that I’m saying that it’s like they had the makings of a fantastic mad exactly and then what they drew two parallel students they like you looking girl drinking quote is like you have do you often prescribed vitamins to your clients I I the prescribed is probably a strong word from our perspective I’m but I mean I take for example magnesium oils I’m i think vitamin D is incredibly important and most people tend to be I’d not have sufficient levels of vitamin D how would you know you don’t have enough vitamin D what do we see blood tests typically just like I ok can be our moodiness low-energy I’m so I asked what so things like that would typically in a point stories are vitamin D iin are but that would be something that they would send them off to you ASAP to get some blood tests and she was a little stop I’m oh yeah look at up i think vitamins can be part of that bigger help each other tom has an illiterate in the big things like which is the movement you know a sentence that add much better to get Adam to the job here so back to gadgets we have orders here tonight ok and what gadgets help and what gadgets can hinder for example can we have too many ee spoke to them Patrick Baker away your guy i work with a baker marketing and when he knew you were coming on he said he wants to know if you get a Fitbit a heart monitor as the idea what is going to help a rather more slightly overweight fifty-year-old mid 50 year old executive trying to or something back yep i look up i think it’s really number of answers it depends what he wants to do yet look I think the this fits the the state counters are one of the best wise to start i’m probably because it’s where you get the most accurate information oh I’m in that a lot of the other data that we get from these trackers is based on formulas of basic information right so for example I’m your feet or whatever the grandees on your wrist that’s counting up and down Muslims and it’s counting those up and down movement and converting each of those up and down with mint into into a stick right so we actually this we had a little question over from Bruce and again and he actually asked how these things work so i just look at this so I’ve often wondered how that not because it’s a little thing on my wrist well it depends on the technology that they using for recording as well because a couple of implied in there as well right so what are you training up-and-down movement for my hand my watch if I just SAT and moved it up and down whenever he thinks that you’re taking steps are really yeah words with pokemon go so i shouldn’t say that might this with my hand going up or down now i think i will inflate things great here and get into all sorts of trouble wow really maybe you know doing 10,000 state so interesting is that happened no they’re not their first test drive but it is actually basically this a little you know it sends her inside any fines and so on that sends changes in Direction can’t accept his cellar an excellent work there because the other way of doing it is is the all the school using a gps so like the government’s years ago want to come to come out with the ones where you had a watch but with a GPS and these were the old-school huge watches so today said it wouldn’t matter how many steps giving you move you want to go out and even why not step you wouldn’t give you that give me that give you absolute distance and similarly average speed and similarly with the heart right I’m the original one like polar was a brain that was very common to use it out there actually have a chest strap that basically across your heart and actually measure exactly what you’re hiding as opposed to new ones that time utilizing that we stand if you remember I when I first went to bring out their watches it means delaying it for about a year when it started by metric senses end up being a lot more trickier than they initially allowed school on the right so it’s tricky to do it and so it like as Max assigning it’s a bit of horses for courses but we’ve been having some sort of feedback is good because if you some people like getting numbers and some don’t know i think if you find you one of the people who likes numbers and lots using the online app for tracking your exercise that there’s also software we can talk about um then you can start off with something that major steps and then if you want to actually measure right actually because you’ve got a certain training regimen more distance you want to get up then you can always just get those as well as it also works together corridos courage yep I’m it’s like that little spot on on the back of water naturally saying so I think it’s probably too based measures that are accurate that these things measure its steps and heart rate he’s got that heart rate strap okay yeah and so how they can help you my change your behavior is by either trying to increase tips or spend longer periods of time that highlights ok boy and can happen but maybe your hand up and down a lot yes exactly ok so ideally you’re doing it by being more more active we might have to go to second hit-and-run that ways to putting his watch the country that was a moment that it’s on most there and there’s a synchronized very bad day because I’ve had an all-day planning session at work right I had lots of my wife first thing this morning so I couldn’t abandon the kids from our walk and so I money it’s three and a half thousand steps we can talk on the treadmill but we can we might be there for the video yeah that’s good there you go there you got so either sell at the end of the day you know what does Patrick geez look I think that the watch like you were that count steps it’s a lot easier than having to put on a heart rate in the morning you put your shirt on you forget you’re taking your shoes off work to put on the heart rate monitor not attending you know that would be something that i recommend for someone that’s looking more at training at six from an exercise for sporting perspective then what these things too is they go they measure the number of steps use put into the watch how much why how old you are and it’s an individual that’s the size would typically travel this far with this number of states so then they extrapolate that information to keep your distance huh they don’t have gps right and then from there they say someone that works this distance that why is this much would burn this mentality but they’re all based on averages right so this further why I heard it said on our on a podcast on the topic actually that this kind of these almost if you think about these concentric rings of an onion and the the inner ring for the more accurate the motor vehicle emissions the heart write a number of states and then you start to make extrapolation from voice I’m i think one of the key things at the end is whatever the dad already said it’s measuring is he said changing behavior you know so he said actually calling to help you change behavior which for example for you state the watch is done that beautifully yes and i think it’s it’s breaking it into because once I’ve case of this knowledge it’s really hard to shut it out right it’s really hard to go back to ignore it yeah great if you feel dirty but not not having yeah yeah I’m not yeah yeah I bet universe things like for example on christmas day I did play cricket in 40-degree hate with my two nephews here in their early twenties and who could not outlast me like 90 minutes into that and I wilted and I went inside because they’re soft and I mean that as a loving uncle yeah I’m that would see my watch was just kind of my stitch but surely my body was under more pressure already enjoying that you a lot more depending how many times you slung and you miss the ball maybe they will campus yes that’s what I just said we talked about actually so watch wasn’t fit for their account the heart monitors can whatever sickness technology do you hear about in your world that people are using on a daily by a look probably the other biggest one is some some sort of sleep monitoring well I’m and this your final do what well that probably the watch that you wearing they do it as well although i’m in that you typically because the Find My Phone Haskell accelerometers in it as well as a sense movement and they can be set to send very subtle movement so you put the phone on the mattress next to me and once you start moving the fun things that you sleeping and so we can actually count you can tell it when you went to bed Peter workout when you fell asleep you work out your movements during the night so we can have a look at quality of sleep and restlessness for example and then when you wake up so you can start to track number of hours of sleep quality of sleep slow so that would be one of the other big popular uses that we tend to see so and you want to do it like this by my watch them is my last week sleep on a romantic date which is currently averaging a father’s point ten-minute sleepy typical parameters like yeah one father happy trails and I’m a lot of the phones will have in so if your personal can sleep with a fun on your wrist imagine it’s probably something can I didn’t used to it ice water on my watch i watch watches ideas i’m going track as you moving and tumble and turning your not and some of them will also give like the lights like this is that each other as well as i said it actually comes back we arm so deeply glass and I had two hours 16 minutes deep sleep out of poverty to house straight now how accurate that p max yeah and that hear that that’s the question at the moment because what it’s sensing and so basically the sum of the slightest of seeing on the is that you can see it i’m not exactly sure with the common our smartphones I’m by water research is looking so you can set the sensitivity of the center’s longer so I normal fine will tend to underestimate the only time because as soon as you’re quiet these things so you’re asleep I mean you could be reading a book here actually kinda pages subtly or reading on your you know I’m on your iPad or and you probably think that you’re asleep because not you’re not moving lot here soon as the sense that turned out then it tends to overestimate I’m the amount of sleep but look I I think idea at the end of the day you know I with that fast about half an hour probably not so much are we would be fast between five hours and seven hours no hand again the important thing that I’ll probably keep coming back to is just helped to change behaviors you know the irony talk is interesting and for the nerd is really interesting but at the end of the day are we changing your behaviors are you sleeping a little bit more if you don’t send in our long-term trends as well they’re interviewing that’s only because off to another app that’s running so yes we can see over the period of the month and your training because you can see if you start drifting down on how much sleep you getting I’m because that’s the sort of thing you want no that’s normally that year staying up later or getting less sleep you actually have an app that tracks and index it up onto other one of the fitness apps and things are incorrect google wear whatever yeah I’m you can actually see you suddenly you’re letting that happen one way the air is ripping down on this thing up yeah I’m it makes me want to get back I there’s an app that was developed a number of years ago by a psychologist in England I is called dream something I look it up I know if I find it I will put it in the show notes and because it was using your fine to measure all those things but what it would do is it knew that if you woke up with the alarm went off when you were just in a deep sleep it was you’re going to have a horrible day right you know it would say to you what’s the latest time you need to get up by yeah and then what however early can be like you and then it finds that he was just starting to disappear again and you’re going to be in deep sleep at a long time it will wake you up I’m 25 10 30 minutes earlier to avoid you going back including ok so it sounds to me like there’s some value perhaps in playing with that again yeah yeah absolutely show is there and I had great combination of health apps fitness apps that would give us the data we need or is it just became could be just so focused on the acts that you forget about the purpose I know I yeah I look I think boy arm again i’ll probably sound like a little bit of her broken record but what behaviors how we looking to change so for example if I you tell you the apps that i’m using at the moment you know it i use personally my scenes towel on which i use for dietary entry because at the moment I’m actually making around with the food that I eat and that the balance of the the nutrient problem getting are preparing for a really big bike event so i’ll be writing end of april from Melbourne to a delight along the great ocean road over seven days I can lend you the airfare that justification not for like a managed side of it you can let you there yet about the money on putting for our coordination is very good course it’s for the Leukemia foundation ok I’m so I’m trying to adapt to go more fat and so that means changing the suites at a meeting especially around my training so I’m quite interested in measuring what i’m actually eating and because what you said before you know if I think through my died we might have an idea I recognized you can be sort of emotional for you but until you look at the numbers about yeah I could probably tweak things a little bit better but personally I get a little bit bored of juicing tools like that for very long so let’s do it for three or four days set the pattern and then stick to the pattern and then fuck you love the patterns changing i’ll call back and I’ll real face and see where I’m at yeah that’s a big one and then the other one I don’t camp States person from the Philippines I’m standing up for much of the guy doing the work that i do but i will use the gps watch to track my runs i am i right and then I hook that up onto Stryver driver returns it’s an app itself which is great for running and cycling it is forced this competition you know nothing this is one of the things i will get onto laughter so what keeps you motivated to using the students to change your behavior and I’m and you whatever is going to keep you motivated is quite and one of the things that straddle it just brings very real competition between people you don’t know I university high pasture you ride certain part for you know the city or seven segments of Royals take months of trial I’m and every single team of the mountain and the Queen and Queen of the mountain and then really right and it’s like the old foursquare which used to be like you’re exactly the person who checked in the moment was the mayor of a business correct and here we are your opinions are you the king of anywhere or the Queen anywhere without my story of yours are not running I’ve got much better place in several cycles so much yes I’m much more competitive running than i am taiking they’re also very good for long term tracking over the years really like a look at my end i’m under here I got back to my 2010 and before they’re not actually using all that was writing manually my runs into it and everything and so over the years you can see what is because right now you know is running at a certain speed not yet back in you know 2011 or something how much was and i could not remember back then you can go look at this think automatically remember that are where they’re shooting you know 19 according to us a month and you know expert village was running and so much baby was our engineering and stuff like that especially handy for learning with technology was are doing yet when I was managing to achieve a certain level of fitness ok so it gives you a white grounding what you need to do here so that competition against others through strava yeah it’s going to be a motivation to some correct where’s I feel like I could play against myself for quite a while this walking thing and I’ve got enough virgin territory to sort of conquer yet before I need to expose myself to the world yeah so I mean da I’m not sure whether it’s trouble you can keep private by this artist for example like RunKeeper I’m cranky pants are really good one that we recommend a lot of our clients it’s what i used to use the Force driver and I’m where it’s a lot more personal but you can see it tracks for example so you say this is my around the block walk Criers I’m and so you throw it on the map and you stand it and you move from beginning to end that’s my around the block walk and then every time you do the same walk because it’s on GPS little noise and it’ll say you’ve done this walk ten times I was the second-fastest so you don’t have to specifically do anything is going on and it will go oh hang on this is marrying up with something correct hardware yeah that’s all this GPS and that’s what’s driving that so for example he’d recognize this different segments and you can create a segment that’s the term that they have so let’s say 10 sunrise at the frontier of importance yes I’m so from the roundabout to portrush load yep I’m so i can call that Maxis max segment right so what I’ll do is I’ll put it in but thousands of other people have readin that bit of Road in the past but wouldn’t start to do start to populate their records and all of a sudden it’ll say 10,000 people have read in this segment and you are the 500 fastest one solo cargo hold on a second that my statement i want to be quicker I mean every time I ride it I don’t need to tell it that I’m writing that text meant that he just keeps it up by your GPS and it’s okay now you agreed on that again and now you’re all hundred that one could you spend the day in your car just driving up and down those are called private cheeks he doesn’t you can report like so if you think it needs that are not you not doable you could try because yeah you about 25km hours that have 20k an hour and yeah but I like that kind of defeats the purpose a little bit so you could look at that would be probably runkeeper really good one might its power from a nutritional perspective again just awareness for client I’m but then you know we’re just holding off at catching or wearing abs with just purchased but we haven’t actually played with him a lot it’s too Littlefoot pots which have been around in the running circles for a while pull up that night you mentioned earlier I haven’t seen you attach to your shoes that tells you how many strikes you doing so how many foods that you’re taking in a run for example which you’re you’re watching to us well I’m but it will tell you how long as you put spending on the ground for example so we can have a look at ground contact time around reaction time for a while it’s got this field meter that will tell you how much information prenatal for example supinating so I have much here for this logging in or out and if you way too you can compare right versus left I you know so the amount of data that we can get from people you know someone has right knee pain when the running we can put this little pot I send them off her on and have a look at whether to see it behaves differently that is phenomenal that annoys the level of robotic it’s amazing it is amazing outlook and then we can get into virtual reality goggles at the moment so that the whole crazy other they’re not really here yet for fitness other well they are actually I saw these some I a clip I think you’ll say a Kickstarter campaign so you think that the Samsung VR goggles think this is them that have it where you put that you’re not familiar with that you put this basically mass that looks like diving goggles but you can see through it and you’re seeing I I feel being applied in front of the entrance right in front of your eyes if you like you’re looking at a real-world understand machine that I’m you attached yourself basically you lie on a remote machine said we had in dat that you would flip yourself up upside down to kind of extend the spine so it looks like almost like a bit nah I don’t know what your past was like Max but I’ve no doors really give me that they don’t I whips are involved right but now it’s all well yes ok so let’s go there so you basically like yourself down on this contraption that supports your trunk you attach your hands on traveling with only up yet you’ll catch your hands onto this two separate handles and you put your legs on this to extensions and nowhere in the goggles and you can fly right now basically let’s go back to the wii platform right so we firstly we had our handles and we used to appoint another TV and do things then you can stand on the platform and you can lean from side to side and you can skateboard or my lucky by leaning from side to side so it’s very simple concept but now you’re lying down so from a poor activation perspective from violence development it’s just taking things to the next level and i would say for the record I think if you go back to episode 173 Phil and ryan from little bang brewery right used to be video game developers for the way wow so interested in the hallway thing they have listened to that binding beautiful and so you actually are flying and I suppose the game makes you start coming back to earth unless you’re flapping rival or you know go through these circles in our you’ve got to get to that now tonight and I think I did a preview but you do need to slightly moving around up and down and that measure that gives you speed and then you sear and slide show that he’s flying in the viewers that you’re flying as well but it seems when i first got alwi and I played some games with it i had the worst fight ever yeah oh yeah i was trying cricket or baseball or something and because you doing these little jerky movement repetitive really had it once and you was not used to it yet so how do we use seems like we for example about this I’m safely drive just started with smaller bits and build up my he had a little baseball AgrAbility yeah look I think that the catch for all physical activities and then goes back to what we said about the standup desks the seed balls is that progression the bodies in the street or not feet are to that specific activity not used to that specific activities that build it’s always good I don’t think that’s one of the things that comes down to this whole conversation got to change behavior typically the more motivated people with all these tools who do better because they’re already motivated this is just a tool that helps to speed you know that behavior said they want to change but for the less motivated one of the key things and the researchers will be strong in this is having a coach by your side to help you plan how to get the most out of this tools team so even ideally for something like that we that virtual reality global i’m having someone that can kind of complicates this is where we’re gonna start and we’re gonna clear to you but I can we’ll see people flying for 45 hours here I want to marry are not being able to get out of the next time I’m i think so you said that people who are motivated will get a lot out of these tools i’m finding that this step cutter is helping to breathe new motivation me cry from you know very scant resources to the point that it ends up having me ask ash here informed is my trainer better questions it’s actually hoping to inform me as a person who needs to get fitter and healthier because I now have darker I got context and I understand how bad I’ve been not just from guilt but actually seeing some data yeah yeah yeah I actually think even for the unmotivated there’s a chance that this could try and the pump and it was ever going to be a spark of motivation this my period yet yeah but look totally agree i think one of our big roles is not necessarily to introduce the technology to people but to help them get the most out of the technology they already have yeah I’m explain it to them guys them I look and I think sometimes even getting the shiny new toy is a big part of the motivation you know what by a nice-looking watch that actually start let’s start to use that and that starts and that can we measure too much can you get lost in your nerd ism yeah look I i think this is like looking at too many YouTube clips or just scrolling through facebook my little each year I and you know i read an interesting article on Stryver and the title of it was why strivers destroying your family you know and i can very much people she can compare yourself against if you’re part of a club you can compare yourself against people in the club if you follow other people so you’ve got that kind of you know you feel communities then i can see whether I can climb up going your ROI quicker than most of the people that follow it but then I started to look at the people that they follow and you know and the and you can definitely after getting back from an hour right fender now looking at the data so i look I think there is certainly we have a little handful of some questions that coming from listeners but i thought i’d like to use to round out the formal part of our interview yeah because as you know interview continues throughout the whole show right on us or I’ve i was first time is all this one this person just use their initials BTW i said i’m taking on a new job later in january it’ll be quite a public role i carry some extra weight around my girlfriend under my cheering what could I do in a few weeks to make my body great while I let’s define make your body great now I’m firstly you know what what does that mean but white loss is primarily dietary not exercise right so it will be a tracing food intake primarily special short term before looking at early January you know so making change over the next two three four weeks when I diet will be there the way to do it you know I think of her at the fitness industry we lied to the community a little bit at their jump on a treatment and you’re going to lose weight exercises not like that helping you loose light exercise is great for so many reasons so many you know Health Association reasons but it’s very good at stopping you from putting weight back on I don’t know there’s no question that a few ways that you will lose some weight by diet and be the key ok so for something like that maybe my fitness towel would be a better option punching everything that he here are there it helps to set some goals so it’s heavy I you how much why do you want to lose over how long yep ok so this is how much you should be eating all right good answer I’m Erica diamond has artists question I who said she was looking forward to listening to this episode by the way i find it really hard to know whether to keep on my fitness routine when my ankle is sore or my name is giving me trouble if i stop other fitness but if I keep going I risk further injury how can I work through this why that’s such a big contribution that mean I wonder with ice every day you know absolutely I’m look I think the common-sense answer is is someone helping you to deal with the ankle and Ernie and why they getting sore so I think that would be really important one of the things that we don’t want to do is to more and make that worse was the body will adapt a little compton side and it will protect itself so we started to get all these add-on likes and pains and because i’m starting with differently when we’re in time so that’s another big conversation for another day here I’m so we definitely don’t want to make those things word but at the same time you don’t want to take condition he cause I body that’s the condition is much less able like a lot less robust to be able to deal with I contains and strength is one of the really big things to protect the John I’m but it sounds like maybe movements not great thanks for not in great alignment and that’s why the harriton so the basic cheap advice almost attacked inside 32 think that’s unheard you know you have cycling is better than running for example i’m swimming for a while but I definitely see someone that can help with that knee and ankle pain ship and now your master modest to say anything but if Erica loop near norwood are popping in to see you guys wouldn’t hurt anyone that looks like an element that’s what we do every day you know we help people get out of pain because you’ve got an app that you developed for the residence in industry movement screen moving screen to help isolate what is causing a lot of those visual memory so they can start being correct correct well I big thing is here at this movement fix the things that are not working really well and then progress trying last question for the interview from Anna latino and she as I probably should have done this one earlier but it’s a great question Fitz garmin apple watches etc are all radio emitting devices therefore how her healthy are they long-term you just have to wonder especially if you’re wearing them all day and at night as well to check your sleeping patterns i guess by wearing them it gives you more motivation to get healthy therefore keeping illnesses at bay just a thought but I’m sure sometime in the future there will be debate on it is further evidence if there is any candlelight and look that that’s probably not my sheet area of expertise other that I know that the evidence doesn’t support our the risk of their radio transmitting capacity some of these devices but natural tonight he’s got something to add you just want to talk about glasses next five minutes all of the music world is worried by device yeah we’ll do it and actually kinda talking about this could this topic has been in the media for 20-plus years and asked his wife i first started coming out and you will routinely to these stories how many days you call them quick bite but you have these skates stories about different sorts of devices that put out the area so by RF is radio frequency so it’s something that transmit energy and the electromagnetic spectrum so we used to a bit of a step back here about what that means in inward so people would be to me too when you listen to say the FAA and was it for the I am radio so that runs at a certain frequency which is generally like a million frequently and with every particular frequency that you transmit that there’s a certain energy level associated Susan the power that the device is putting out this is the energy which represents basically how much that area can interfere with other things around it and basically as you go higher in frequency the electromagnetic radiation has more energy and more potential president harm so we’ll start off with so if you think about this is so if someone the largest size of pinpoint ping-pong ball at you it will just sort of bounced off not only harm could it have low energy level if someone nom for Pelt sorry about the cricket ball at your head and hit you a hundred plus gamma now that’s gonna hurt and cause damage so exactly the same thing works basically with electromagnetic radiation the higher the frequency of the radiation that the more particular energy is in the seal that is interacting whatever cute ok ok so this comes about and choose to give you asking about the devices so they typically either use Wi-Fi or Bluetooth the two most common transmitters that actually translates to a particular frequencies and protocols that they use the transmitting data and to some degree the amount of power they use bluetooth be quite high power now it’s very low pal but it’s not the power that causes the potential damages the frequency operates on so people will be familiar with the word Wi-Fi you have a range of housing office step at a frequency with that 2.4 gigahertz or foggy gonna hurt you got the husband one and that translates who about 10 micro electron volts of energy and that’s the term we use for measuring the amount of energy in the field that interact with you for a second now it’s just the the measure of energy management major energy what potential for causing that harness so that the Wi-Fi frequency that’s pretty much like a very very light ping-pong ball slowly crawling into your body ok so it’s only is firstly it slide and it’s also just basically if the frequency is like that evidence is only one gives it now cause damage to our to your body via electromagnetic radiation one of the classic ones here in Georgia capital letters as well George sorry man George makes that we were being called George we will have never been coached you which we just from I don’t know and that Georgia guys this is not to him your argument very good and um so everyone knows that if you stay out in the sunlight and the UV damage will cause you potentially cancer yes and the reason it can do that is because there’s a UV behind the spectrum and it is also the extra high frequency you can see which is actually the rework uz and it does that because it can actually art cause I didn’t tell know that means it can knock off an electron and electron which can form a free-radical so you have a positive charge of negative cell and i will interact with different parts of body and actually damaged it and can damage your D&I anybody and how does that compare to your Wi-Fi i can you sew the energy level needed to to break what ok sounds good chemical here this thing’s full double bond which is a type of bond energy ok you need three roughly three electron volt to break the bond and to create free radicals write the general fresh whole of ionization is a 10 electron volt don’t think those numbers three electron volt 10 electron volts down in the market away frequency we are at ten to a hundred micro electron volts so it’s five orders of magnitude less energy than you need then you need to actually physically be able to cause any sort of chemical damage to the body and this is one of those things where the unlikelihood of that decreases and this is an absolute physical law where to actually break the bond you know you need a certain level of energy or it just won’t break if I say you have a rubber band if you just stretch it back and forth the sentiment it’s just not gonna break me it doesn’t matter how many times you do it it is another bright if you decide to stretch it and made up a little break and so the analogy hearing the real energy level simply cannot under any non Laura physics and we tested this service i was with you that you simply can’t cause hell damage so getting back to the original thing that question about the devices that use Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or even anything else that comes out in soon will always be down in that sort of gigahertz range now then i’ll bring out something you can your time and maybe works 200 gigahertz because it’s faster to communicate and you find that a lot quicker however there are still many many many orders of magnitude Kyle any level of energy needed to cause damage so it’s for the good news for enna yep and all of us is that it’s not worth losing a moment it’s about not one second not even once again i know you will eat physically cannot get hard by microwave frequency you a radiation f it’s not the same for your mobile phone it’s time for mobile time because things like I’m radios and mobile phones are up in the kit as well I’m black we live our lives under I am and FM radio and for all of our lives those transmitters are typically 10 kilowatts or 50 kilowatts of power and all around as anywhere on the planet you can turn on the receiver and hear that radiation bring down no long-term effects at all because even I its high power yes the energy of the frequency it’s transmitting out your solo it’s like think he was looking on board your life so so basically you’re in summary anything to do with the Wi-Fi or Bluetooth electronic devices you know the best you can do is get a slight warming and unique while the power and the warning from that might be point one of the cell to the finish you get up from the disk and I walk to attack your body will get warmer naturally being generated energy in making a move that vastly at Scripps even even the warmth you get any of these devices how do you take this information back so that fascinating from your perspective today I’ll get clients are asking this question are absolutely yeah we’ve had that question and that’s why I look at the evidence and I couldn’t explain it to that degree of detail but I’ve never found any evidence that showed you know that anything had been proven that video it so and that’s where i was at I thought this little bit evidence to show that causes and everywhere I think Anna was thinking what if one day but it’s not as pointed out the laws of physics emeryville show that we have magnitude upon magnitude of distance between what is even possible to cause that break or problem so thank you for that we surveyed I jewel max thank you for your input thus far less you don’t go away to a couple of exercises or whatever because you’ll need some stimulation that is it new is you haven’t always liked