As the political landscape shifts with international pressures and local concerns, this episode reminds us that finding our voice at the ballot box connects us to both our democratic heritage and our shared South Australian future.
Political commentator Robert Godden returns to examine how Trump’s policies ripple through South Australian vineyards and shipyards, while introducing us to diverse local voters shaping our electoral landscape – from climate-conscious Ellie in Goodwood to disillusioned Mick in Morphett Vale.
Robert’s record for calling elections correctly stands firm as he reveals which South Australian electorates might swing in the upcoming federal vote. Though Labor appears headed for a reduced majority, the real question is how our vote might influence America’s orange-tinted decisions affecting our exports and defence agreements.
In the Musical Pilgrimage, Lizzie Hosking’s soulful track “Can’t Figure You Out” perfectly captures the electoral indecision many South Australians face heading into the May 3rd poll, while a Good Friday interview with Richard Pascoe uncovers the gruesome history buried at St. Mary’s Anglican Church.
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Running Sheet: From Trump to Two Wells – SA’s Political Crossroads In AusVotes 2025
00:00:00 Intro
Introduction
00:00:00 SA Drink Of The Week
No South Australian Drink Of The Week, this week.
00:03:41 Robert Godden
Robert Godden, our regular political analyst who correctly called the 2018 South Australian election before Antony Green, joins us to examine the upcoming federal election through a South Australian lens. With the shadow of Donald Trump’s presidency louring over international relations, the conversation begins with the “Trump factor” and its potential impacts on our state.
“We can look at what happened with China when they put tariffs on us,” Robert explains when discussing Trump’s trade war implications for South Australian exports like beef, wine, and seafood. “Remember Christmas before last when people were indulging in lobster who’d never had it before because it was so cheap?” He suggests diversification of markets is essential, noting how Australia pivoted successfully during the China tariff challenge.
The conversation takes a more serious turn when examining the AUKUS agreement, with Robert noting that America’s treatment of Australia has drawn criticism even from US politicians like Democratic Senator Mark Warner. “He spent a good half hour listing all the reasons… anyone with brains and shame would’ve gone, ‘He’s right, let’s help Australia out.’ But Trump hasn’t shown great quantities of either.”
Robert’s assessment of climate policy delivers perhaps the episode’s most cutting insight: “The easiest way for the Liberals to have a chance at getting back in power would be to embrace the climate cause.” He argues that the six Teal candidates in parliament are essentially “liberals with climate views,” representing votes the Coalition has surrendered to independents.
When Steve asks whether anything Australia does could influence Trump’s policies, Robert responds with characteristic frankness: “He doesn’t understand international trade. I mean, look, he doesn’t understand shoelaces.”
The interview shifts to a fascinating examination of voter personas Robert has created, representing different South Australian demographics and their voting intentions. These include Ellie from Goodwood (a 29-year-old non-binary arts worker voting Green), Tyler from Lightsview (a 21-year-old apprentice electrician leaning Liberal), Andrew from Aldgate (a 45-year-old high school teacher supporting Rebecca Sharkie), Mick from Morphett Vale (a 53-year-old injured truck driver voting One Nation), and Jade from Christies Beach (a financially stretched childcare worker who remains undecided).
When discussing cost of living concerns, Robert delivers one of the episode’s most provocative statements: “If Peter Dutton wants to win this election at all costs, all he has to do is chuck money at people. If he said to the electorate, ‘If you vote for me, I’ll give you $300 a week from now until the next election’ – job done.”
Robert heartily recommends using the ABC Vote Compass to help you see where you sit idealogically, and how that aligns to the parties.
01:04:04 St Mary’s Anglican Church Cemetary
Steve shares a recording from his Good Friday conversation with Richard Pascoe on FiveAA, discussing the upcoming cemetery tour at St. Mary’s Anglican Church on Saturday, May 17, 2025, from 10am to 2pm. The segment reveals fascinating South Australian history, including the burial sites of Richard Hamilton (father of South Australia’s wine industry) and Benjamin Herschel Babbage (son of computing pioneer Charles Babbage).
The conversation takes a macabre turn as Steve describes university researchers’ discoveries in the cemetery’s pauper section, including bodies broken to fit into smaller coffins, teeth ravaged by untreated cavities, and even evidence of leprosy in early South Australia. “It just fires up gratitude for me of what we’ve actually been able to achieve,” Steve reflects, noting how easily we forget the harsh realities our ancestors faced.
01:16:06 Musical Pilgrimage
In the Musical Pilgrimage, we feature Can’t Figure You Out by Lizzie Hosking.
Steve praises her “breathy and hearty voice” with its “clear, clean, strong” qualities that draw listeners in. The song’s sultry jazz feel and title perfectly mirror the electoral indecision many South Australians feel approaching the May 3rd federal poll.
As Steve notes, “I chose it because frankly, I can’t figure out who is worthy of my vote.”
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[00:00:00] Robert Godden: I’m ready to call it. Oh, what are you calling Robert? I’m ready to call a majority liberal government. Yep. Majority liberal. Yep. Same here. Absolutely. The simple fact is that the A LP needed to gain a few seats just to stand still. Well, that was the
[00:00:12] Steve Davis: voice of Robert Godden from episode 239 of the Adelaide Show.
[00:00:18] Hi, I am Steve Davis. That was our broadcast, which we did. Uh, live on wow fm on the night of the South Australian election in 2018. And as you heard, Robert called the election correctly at 8:09 PM well before Anthony Green did on the a, b, C, dare I say, he also repeated that when we did a few other live broadcast of elections.
[00:00:43] Well, today we’re getting in really early and we’re going to seek Robert’s reading of the tea leaves for the federal election, which happens on May 3rd this year, 2025. And let’s see how well this episode ages the approach he’s taking is quite a novel one. Um, and I’ll let him explain that when he comes on board, but this might be, uh, one of the simpler ways to get some difference between the different politicians.
[00:01:12] Uh, at the end of the episode of the musical pilgrimage, Lizzie Hosking, uh, we’re playing one of her songs called Can’t Figure You Out, and I chose that one ’cause a, it’s a fantastic song. Love her voice, love her music, but secondly, can’t figure you out is where I’m at at the moment on the political spectrum.
[00:01:31] Uh, I know who I’m not going to be voting for, and I think that exhausts most of the options. And there’ll just be a default vote for the last one standing. We’ll see if Robert changes that. And also in between those two, I’m playing a little snippet from five aa, which was recorded on Good Friday. I. Which was yesterday.
[00:01:50] At the time of, uh, publication of this episode, uh, Richard Pascoe had me on and I was talking about some really gruesome history buried, uh, in St. Mary’s, uh, on the grounds of St. Mary’s Anglican Church. They have an open day and a cemetery tour coming up in May of 20, 25. More details on that later, and I think your, your head will turn with some of the things we discover from who’s buried in that.
[00:02:19] Cemetery. But until then, let’s deal with the living Robert. God, in just a moment,
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[00:03:41] Steve Davis: Our political commentator, Robert Godin, is joining us again for this episode to well unpack. Trump’s impact on South Australia. And also introduce us to the diverse local voters who are shaping our electoral landscape. All the way from Ellie and Goodwood who’s pushing for climate action to Mick from Morford Fail, who feels increasingly left behind as global politics ripple through our vineyards and our shipyards will explore how South Australian voices are responding at the ballot box in ways that might well matter to our state’s future.
[00:04:17] Robert Godden, welcome back. Hello, Steve. All right. I thought what we’d do is we’d start with the Trump factor first because it’s hard to ignore the Orange Man and his gimp, or AKA Donald Trump and Elon Musk these days. The chaser had a great headline. I’m gonna paraphrase it. It was something like Australians grown nostalgic for the time before they had to wake up every morning to learn what the Fwi had done today.
[00:04:44] And there is a sense of dread there. ’cause I just, you see that picture in the newsfeed and my heart sinks a little bit. But even though our focus is on the federal election here in Australia, I think, and through the lens of South Australia, that orange haze permeates everything. So I want to start off our conversation on that front,
[00:05:04] Robert Godden: right.
[00:05:04] Well, firstly, I’m gonna sue the guys from the Chaser ’cause they lifted their headline straight out of a comment by myself. Um, the Naughty Boys, uh, probably not the only person to say that though. Um, so yeah, I, I mean there’s obviously some. With an election coming up, my, the things that I was thinking about was, can we affect what Trump does by the candidates we pick?
[00:05:29] Mm-hmm. So I’ve, I’ve prepared a, a a range of things where, what’s likely to happen and then whether a vote a particular way is gonna ameliorate that.
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[00:05:40] Robert Godden: Um, and the second part is a little bit more tenuous, to be fair. ’cause nobody knows what the Madman’s gonna do.
[00:05:45] Steve Davis: No. Uh, and even, uh, I’ve been listening to an interesting podcast to get my head around what’s happening in America, uh, called Pod Save America, which I find really interesting.
[00:05:56] And they were noting legal firms, mark Zuckerberg and others, they kowtow, they hand over something, but they get nothing in return. It’s, it’s bluster. There’s, it’s really fascinating on that front.
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[00:06:10] Robert Godden: It, it is. He, he, he’s the, in some ways he’s the world’s best negotiator because he’s that bad at it, and we all laugh at him and then he gets what he wants.
[00:06:19] Yeah. And I’m not quite sure, of course, the problem is that what he wants changes every 10 minutes, but
[00:06:23] Steve Davis: Well, that’s the thing. And, and I think it’s quite optimistic that you are trying to look at this from what, who we select might have an impact back up the chain. I, I think that’s a fascinating thesis.
[00:06:34] Mm. Shall we start with trade? Because, you know, exports that is supposedly the lifeblood of economies who run the world. What impact could Trump’s tariffs have and the trade wars on our industries? I mean, beef, wine, seafood, education, they’re some of the key ones.
[00:06:53] Robert Godden: That’s the thing. Four. Um. So I think we can look at what happened with China when China, uh, put the tariffs on us.
[00:06:59] And, um, uh, I I, I’m not a consumer of, uh, wine, seafood or education, but I was very much saying, well, let’s just eat the beef and let’s have cheap steak. Um, so I, I’m not sure that was gonna help the farmers a lot, but I, I was big in favor of that. But, um, I, I think we’ve got a similar situation. You know, we, we’ve always got the option of, of keeping this stuff if it gets too hard to sell overseas.
[00:07:24] Um, you know, if, if, if it was going overseas for big bucks and the big bucks aren’t there, well then you just take the bucks are on offer. Um, you know, and everyone in Australia gets, I think I remember the, uh, Christmas before last, uh, people were indulging in lobster that had never indulged in lobster for Christmas before because it was so cheap and Aldi was selling it for like 20 bucks or 30 bucks a pack for a couple of tails.
[00:07:46] And, um, so I think, I think there’s advantages. To, uh, to the every person in the street in South Australia anyway, with the, with the, well, there’s that advantage. There’s obviously a disadvantage as well. Um, but I mean, look, when ch, when China did the this to us, we, we diversified, um, our exports. You know, we, we looked at or diversified our markets.
[00:08:07] Where, where else can we sell seafood to where else? And, and we haven’t lost any of those. So the stuff that was going to China that ended up going elsewhere, um, is still going elsewhere. And, and now we’re starting to bring China back online. So, you know, you, you have to make the best of it. And if it is a fact that you’ve suddenly got, you know, a thousand cases or 10,000 cases of wine you didn’t know you were gonna have, um, and, and you’re not gonna get, you know, price x from, from China and you can only get X minus 50 in Australia, well, why not sell it somewhere for X 25?
[00:08:41] There’s never bought it before. And, and I think the, um, I, I think everyone’s a winner. Except for the country that puts the tariffs on, which is of course the, uh,
[00:08:52] Steve Davis: the, the plan. I’d be curious to know what the down, uh, side effects of that is. ’cause yes, we get to eat cheap lobster for a bit. We, we get to drink some of the better wine that was going to be shipped off.
[00:09:05] But does that then impact what the companies are doing, who are producing this? Does it diminish their production capability in a way that can’t ramp up?
[00:09:15] Robert Godden: Absolutely. And you know, we may have people losing their jobs. We may have, um, in the short term it tends to be expansion doesn’t happen. So companies that were ready to build a big new.
[00:09:25] Uh, dairy or, or expand a poultry shed or, or plant another, you know, 20 acres of wine graves. They’re going, no, you know what? I’m gonna hold off and see, see what happens here. Looking at the policies that are on the table, um, laser LA labor, not laser labor, have already said that they’re going to help, uh, small businesses move into Asia.
[00:09:45] Certainly they, they’ve been big on all along. They haven’t been trumpeting it. I don’t know why, but it is definitely one of their policies. Um, and, and they have definitely been providing grants in that area. Um, so, you know, there’s a whole bunch of Asian countries that aren’t China. ’cause I think got that one covered.
[00:10:00] Steve Davis: Emmanuel and Laura, uh, from Flinder’s run, uh, wines up in the Flinder’s. I saw he was in somewhere in Asia at a, at a wine expo. And you’re right, this diversification of markets is something that the, the China, uh, factor kicked into gear. Mm-hmm. Maybe we’re, we’ve got momentum to continue that to around the globe.
[00:10:21] Robert Godden: Yeah. And now, um, president GF China is running around Asia saying to people, tariffs are a terrible thing. Global markets should be open. And, you know, if I was a wine producer, my first thing I’d ring someone in Cambodia and say, I, I heard Xi’s advice to you, and I’m here to help you take it. You know? Um, so, so, uh, the Greens have a policy of, um, of grants for small producers to access any market.
[00:10:46] So if you, uh, look, I don’t think the Greens will do much for, for trade, but if you already a green voter and you want to, you want to feel that something’s they do, they, they do have these, uh, small grants for small producers, uh, to access markets. I wonder if they’d
[00:11:02] Steve Davis: run a sustainability ruler over that.
[00:11:04] Robert Godden: Yeah, they, they, absolutely. Yeah. Um, and, and particularly if you’re a small producer that’s either organic or something like that, something credible. Or even something like biodynamic, um, you, um, you, you would have easier access to that. So if I was, if I was one of these people, I’d probably be voting labor, uh, probably because I honestly haven’t noticed the liberals noticing them.
[00:11:28] To be fair, it’s not the liberals province, it’s the nationals province. And the last time the nationals had an MP in South Australia, they sat on the labor front bench. So I don’t think the nationals are a big thing here for the coalition. The other person though, if you’re in Mayo, Rebecca Sharky’s, put a fair bit into defending local producers.
[00:11:48] So I think, uh, if I was in Mayo, I would be tempted to, uh, to go that way. Um, but if I was a, uh, primary producer anywhere else in South Australia, I, I’d probably think of, uh, labor being my best bet, even though a lot of them are in areas where labor aren’t gonna win.
[00:12:02] Steve Davis: Can anything we do change? The orange man’s opinions?
[00:12:08] Or is it more about us just finding our
[00:12:10] Robert Godden: own way? He doesn’t understand international trade. I mean, look, he doesn’t understand shoelaces. Um, he, he doesn’t understand it. And, and the, I think we’ve all met these people that the last person they spoke to, that’s the opinion they hold.
[00:12:25] Steve Davis: Yeah.
[00:12:26] Robert Godden: So you, so if you can be set to meet with these people ready to do a deal, and then they’ve run into someone in the lift and come back, come in with an entirely different opinion, and it’s the greatest opinion ever.
[00:12:36] Um, so yeah. I, I,
[00:12:39] Steve Davis: I, I, I’ll be having a great chat and then someone else says, Hey, that person you’re talking to is not wearing a suit. Oh my
[00:12:45] Robert Godden: goodness. Yeah.
[00:12:46] Steve Davis: Yeah.
[00:12:47] Robert Godden: And that, that’s, yes, yes. Fair enough. Do you know who wears really good suits? Penguins, but it didn’t help them. No. Um, yeah, look, but anyway, that’s the way I think I’d go.
[00:12:56] I think in that case. And you know, that is a big one for South Australia. Look, that is a big one and a, and a far reaching one. It’s all parts of South Australia.
[00:13:05] Steve Davis: And people need to eat. I mean, three of those are food stuffs, three of those sectors. It’s not that they’re small fry, they’re, they’re really important to us, but the big money on the table is in defense and the whole orca agreement, it was meant to be bringing defense jobs and investment to South Australia with the submarine, uh, construction.
[00:13:26] That all sort of changed. We’ve, we’ve handed over for another wad of money. Did Trump even notice? Does that hold sway? Have we got any bargaining capability to move elsewhere? I tell you what, you wish we hadn’t, uh, burned the bridges with the French at this point.
[00:13:46] Robert Godden: Yeah, we could, we could be. Well, a lot further down the track with the French one, just, uh, just quietly.
[00:13:51] I think the, um, the interesting about that is the, uh, guy whose name alludes me, that stood up in the US Congress and just absolutely reamed into them over, over treating Australia badly, putting a tariff on Australia. How he’s the, he’s the chairman of the US Australia Friendship Society in Congress. He spent.
[00:14:08] Oh, a good half an hour listing. All the reasons. Uh, and anyone with any a brains and b shame would’ve gone, you know what? He’s right, let’s help Australia out. But of course, Trump hasn’t shown great quantities of, uh, of either. I mean, orus is the big thing, but there’s a lot of defense here and there’s a lot of little bits and pieces.
[00:14:28] Um, I mean, this has caught Trump out, you know, the, these, these American cars that he’s, um, that he’s so excited about making. Some, some of them have over 300 components from different places in the world. So you, uh, you, you don’t get very far. If you, if you are making, you know, you, you’re assembling a thousand cars a day and you say, Hey, if, if there’s tariffs, I could assemble 2000 a day because people will buy locally.
[00:14:53] But given that the tariffs are, are also affecting, you know, 70, 80% of their. Cars. It is nonsense. The mass that he’s used in this trade equation has been very widely discussed and is one of the most ludicrous things ever.
[00:15:06] Steve Davis: Democratic Senator, Mark Warner was the person who
[00:15:08] Robert Godden: started this, that is the man, Mr.
[00:15:09] Warner. And he, he is a, he’s a very credible, very dignified. It was a, it was a very good bit of work. Um, he, he had the right level of, uh, stridency and Inc. Incredulity
[00:15:22] Steve Davis: he did. And look, while Trump’s using like a magic cube that you hear comes up with a different answer every time for his directions, could we back out of orcas or is that too awkward?
[00:15:33] Robert Godden: I, I guess we could just make it, or I just say the Britain or, or we could, we could find someone else that starts with a useful, you know, if, if Poland were interested, it could be pork.
[00:15:44] Steve Davis: If any of our enemies are great readers of Lord of the Rings to be being attacked by orks. I mean that
[00:15:50] Robert Godden: a Absolutely, absolutely.
[00:15:53] So yeah, look, I think you don’t pull outta something just after you’ve paid. Uh, 500 billion us, you pull out of it a week before you pay 500 bi billion us
[00:16:03] Steve Davis: or you do what I did last night in bed. I was just reading about to drift off to sleep and a notification of a payment having been taken from my Amex card came through and it was for a, a US based service that I had canceled.
[00:16:17] And so after a bit of chat with them back and forth and showing them the numbers, they begrudgingly refunded my money. So maybe I should be in Canberra to be showing them what to do. Even if they’ve charged the credit card. You can still argue about, yeah.
[00:16:31] Robert Godden: Yes. So suggesting Mr. Albanese could just ring visa and say, that’s right.
[00:16:34] Could you please not process that, that payment? Um, I don’t even know how you pay. $500 billion to, to another government. I mean, we’ve got this idea that you, you know, put it in Gold Bull in several brief cases and have bur men with it attached to their risk, but probably just some transfer at some high level.
[00:16:53] It’s, uh, yeah, it’s a bit beyond my pay grade. Yeah, but look, you have to have a look at who’s gonna help in this regard. Um, certainly no one in America. But in terms of your vote, um, look, it’s hard between the majors ’cause they both have a policy that we’re, we are so good at being, uh, in agreement with the other side that we’re actually better, you know, we’re both on the same page, but we are more on the same page.
[00:17:19] That is basically their argument. So I think you really make your decision between, um, labor and liberal. However, if we’re in Hindin Marsh, where the shipyards are, I. You, you’d, you’d probably think about labor, I think, um, simply because, you know, in, in theory at least, they’re, they’re more aligned with the, the unions and you’re more, yeah, I don’t know, may, maybe more in the spirit of Bob Hawke’s consensus labor might be the pick there, but I, I wouldn’t, there’s not a lot in that.
[00:17:51] Mm-hmm. Um, now the other alternative, of course is to say we don’t want orus. We should tell the Yanks to stuff it. I’m gonna vote green and the money will be taken out of ORUS and be spent on renewable tech technology and, you know, new high tech, uh, things and uh, and green stuff. And um, and we just won’t have any nuclear submarines.
[00:18:15] Um, so, you know, and that’s a perfectly valid. Point of view. You know, we, we shouldn’t just assume that, uh, that, uh, it’s orus or, or any defense spending is right. However, the complete absence of defense spending on submarines in the last 15 years is, is wrong. Like it’s at some point, um, you know, um, uh, the Rudd government, Shelly Shalli, um, I think Christopher Pine was probably the best asset the country had in terms of moving defense, spending forward and particularly moving forward in South Australia.
[00:18:48] So it was good for us. Um, but pre Christopher and post Christopher, it’s, it’s been a bit all over the shop. And, uh, you know, I think that, um, I think that we, if, if we hadn’t ignored it for so long, we wouldn’t be where we are now. Well, we probably have French submarines for starters.
[00:19:08] Steve Davis: Yeah. So it, none of that, um.
[00:19:13] Is necessarily going to play too much on people’s minds because that, I mean, the, the likelihood of the greens holding power is pretty slim, so it is gonna be one of the majors, unless you have any other internal thinking on that. So it’s, it’s almost like a neutral point. There’s not much impact that we can have at the ballot box on that.
[00:19:32] Robert Godden: Yeah, no, I, I think, I think in the wash up, the greens will lose a seat to labor and a seat to liberal. Um, the, um, the labor will lose maybe two seats somewhere else, and the net result will be they’ll have a reduced majority, but still a majority. Uh, and still a comfortable majority. I mean, let’s not lose sight.
[00:19:55] The fact that Mr. Dutton was a long way back at the start of this, like he was, he was getting popular in the polls and people getting a bit excited briefly, um, when we were trying to work out exactly what the news every day meant. Um. But it was always a long way back and it would’ve been a spectacular campaign.
[00:20:13] And it’s been a very poor campaign. And I think that brings us to what I’d like to discuss next, which is climate.
[00:20:20] Steve Davis: Yes. Tell us about that. Are
[00:20:21] Robert Godden: you
[00:20:22] Steve Davis: warming to this
[00:20:22] Robert Godden: topic? I, I am warming to this topic. I think that easiest way for the liberals to have a chance at getting back in power would be to embrace the climate cause.
[00:20:40] And the reason I say that is because there are six teal candidates sitting in parliament that are basically liberals who, who say climate change is the big challenge for us. And that’s the thing we wanna focus on. So if, if Mr. Dun had had the courage to, um. Not listen to the lunatic right. Of his own party and not listen to the lunatic right of the coalition and actually focus on climate and make some serious adjustments.
[00:21:11] Um, they probably could have taken four outta those six seats easy. Um, and uh, uh, I think they will take, they got a very good chance to take one anyway. Um, but you know, basically the teals are, are liberal candidates with climate views. I mean, none of them are, you know, none of them are pounding the pulpit labor types or, um, or greens as such.
[00:21:32] Mm-hmm. They are, they are green tinge liberals.
[00:21:35] Steve Davis: It’s almost like you’re asking him to be a little bit Malcolm Turnbull 1.0.
[00:21:41] Robert Godden: Well, I, I mean, we are, we are what, six years down the track from Malcolm and. That’s a long time and, and parties do change. Um, I think about what these parties represented when I was a a, a kid.
[00:21:54] I mean, I, I was a member of persecuted minority growing up. I was from a liberal voting household and I lived in Myla
[00:22:00] Steve Davis: and a redhead
[00:22:02] Robert Godden: and a redhead. So let’s not add that one. So, and, and I remember, uh, I, I first got into politics, um, around the time of the dismissal. Mm-hmm. Um, and, uh, and in, in the late seventies, Malcolm Fraser came to town.
[00:22:17] Um, and I was 13 years old and he was doing a lunch for supporters and I asked to go to it. So my parents picked me up from school and at school. The um. But you know, or why young? I’m going to a lunch with Malcolm Fraser, which translated into, I’m going to lunch with Malcolm Fraser.
[00:22:38] Steve Davis: Yes.
[00:22:38] Robert Godden: So he was the prime Minister, of course, at the time.
[00:22:40] And, and so there were multiple beatings occurred as a result of that. But, um, you know, it was very different days. But then 15 years ago, I was speaking to a, a labor convener who said, if you grew up in Mala in the seventies and voted liberal, then we’ve, we’ve come to you, you know, LA labor in the early two thousands was about where the liberals were in the seventies.
[00:23:03] Um, and now the, the labor is, is probably to the right of that. And, and the liberals are just going down the wrong path. They’re going down the, the, the path of the, the bigots and the um, and the stupidity, the stupid, right? Instead of the, um, the smart center and, and Malcolm Turnbull was. The greatest potential in my opinion, and the biggest failure of leadership in this country.
[00:23:33] And he couldn’t run the country ’cause his party weren’t behind him. But, uh, you know, if we had a, if we had a parliament of, of Malcolm Turnbull’s and, um, mark Butler’s and, um, uh, who else is good guy? I’m running low after I’ve mentioned two people. Um, but those people who were just earnest politicians who wanted to do the right thing and, and didn’t, weren’t particularly ideolog, but were just wanting to do what the, what was the right thing.
[00:23:57] Um, but we don’t have that. And, and, and, and all we can do is vote for the published policies and hope they, hope they stick to it. So, so I, I, I think, I think that Trump, back to the actual topic, Trump’s contempt, seething contempt for climate, um, is obviously bad news for anyone who wants to breathe air, um, in say 10 years time.
[00:24:19] The obvious thing that people will do if, if, if climate is their big focus is vote green now will voting green help, uh, to bring about, uh, a cessation of Trump’s policies? Not in the least. ’cause Trump greens are not gonna get in and they’re not gonna be a minority, uh, with, with labor. So I, I think you’d have to vote labor to, because, you know, it’s probably one of the biggest differences between the parties and the mind.
[00:24:47] What Australia can do is join with other countries, right? We can make America the pariah. We can say, you know, if the, if, if everybody else is doing what we agreed and America isn’t. Well, uh, there’s a lot of undeveloped countries that are given exemptions. Maybe we just give them, uh, uh, a pass because they’re sufficiently unsophisticated to not be able to do this.
[00:25:15] And, and, you know, we’re. A percentage off. Um, but at least everyone else is still doing it. So I I I, I think, well, to
[00:25:22] Steve Davis: be fair, they are living with a disability in the White House.
[00:25:26] Robert Godden: They’re living with a liability in the White House. Definitely. And, and not, not just one. Um, and this guy’s completely surrounded by complete idiots and some of the stuff around the, um, uh, concentration camp.
[00:25:38] ’cause that’s what it is in El Salvador, where people are being ex, ex judiciously, um, just sent there with no hope of return. Um, thi this is horrific stuff is, but we need to stop pretending that Mr. Trump is reminiscent of, of a Adolf Hitler. What we need to understand is that he, every time he does something new, it ticks another box in the playbook.
[00:26:03] And we’ve got absolutely no justification for thinking that he would stop. Uh, this is an extremely dangerous man. I, I mean, I am. I’m gonna be in North America at the end of the year, but I’m not going anywhere near the USA genuinely frightened to go in that country at the moment. And, and that’s, uh, if you’re not frightened of America, you’re, you’re not
[00:26:23] Steve Davis: informed.
[00:26:24] And there’s certainly, in your case, after this interview. Uh, now last couple of things that trump economic opportunities, we’ve got Trump’s tariffs going crazy. Uh, we’ve got China wanting to court many of our other potential allies we might, uh, try and do trade with. What, what’s the impact going to be?
[00:26:45] Robert Godden: So one of the best statistics for, uh, how we might win is that in 2017 when, uh, Trump started playing tariff games with China, uh, California was the biggest exporter in the world of almonds.
[00:27:00] 80%. Um, at the time, Australia had 0.77% of the Chinese market. Last year we reached 70% What. A hundred times, almost a hundred times if you round down. Um, so from 0.77 to 70% of the Chinese market has moved to Australia, thanks to one tariff by Donald Trump in 2017. Amazing. So let’s have it let, let’s let him play his games.
[00:27:32] You know, I mean, the, the fact is, if he canceled them tomorrow, you wouldn’t feel confident he wasn’t gonna start ’em again next Tuesday. Um, and so I think that let’s just ignore him. They literally ignore him. Um, bit disappointing for people who export to America. Um, there’s fabulous lists going around the internet of where you can buy stuff that isn’t American.
[00:27:54] Yes. So, you know, if you use, uh, SAP as your accounting software, well this, this one’s made somewhere else, and things like that. So I think there’s, um, there’s a real movement away from America, particularly in Europe. Uh, and, and you know, I would, I would much rather support a. Uh, a UK company, for example, at the moment than an Australia, than than a American one, Australian one would be best.
[00:28:18] Um, but uh, yeah, we just need to, um, to just ignore him to a certain extent. Um, I think that, um, both major parties are really, um, pushing some things that manufacturing needs, but at the end of the day, where’s manufacturing at the moment or where’s the opportunity? The opportunity’s in renewables just look at the size of the Chinese, uh, ev market that has gone from strength to strength.
[00:28:42] Um, there’s literally a new brand every week here. The, so, so I think, um, there’s really, uh, well, the greens, the, the greens actually have, uh, you know, they, they have promised to preference to, to, to preference green engineering. Um, but if you look at places like Sea, like Spence and Macon, you’re talking about, um.
[00:29:08] There’s a whole bunch of stuff in the North Adelaide where we could be making, uh, EVs and, and making batteries and, um, processing these rear minerals so that we can get value adds. So you’d probably think labor’s your best bet up there. Um, if you’re in Mayo, I’ll say again, probably Rebecca Shark is a very good member with a good track history of pushing through things for, for specific local businesses.
[00:29:31] So that’d be your self-interest there. But definitely greens and labor. Now, I I, I’m starting to sound like a bad, a broken record, but, but unfortunately I’m just working on the policies that are presented and, um, uh, I think the liberals this time around have been remarkably sure on policies apart from I’ll do what he said, um, and I’m gonna build some nuclear actors.
[00:29:50] That’s, that’s pretty well their, uh, their effort. It’s almost a non effort. So, uh, so there we go.
[00:29:56] Steve Davis: So to bring this home, the Trump part, before we look at our, um, wonderful South Australian voter personas, overall, there’s a culture. It is part of a culture war that he started. It’s a, it’s ideas rather than the practical things.
[00:30:14] Is that here to stay? Because is it gonna leak into the actions of people who are vacuous, have no other idea, and they wanna hop on the bandwagon?
[00:30:26] Robert Godden: Yeah. I mean, this is a guy that thrives on outrage. I, I agree. It, it, it’s, it’s what it’s all about. It, it, it’s, it’s misinformation. It’s rubbish. It’s um, it’s coming for the minorities.
[00:30:37] It’s your classic fascist playbook. Um, and. I think we can all relax and be happy that that could never happen here. Um, and, and the only problem we’ve got with that is I remember back in about 2014, 2015 when people were laughing at Trump’s candidacy and saying, in America, that could never happen here.
[00:30:57] We’re never going to, uh, elect someone like this. So I, I think that is a, a salutary lesson for all of us that yeah, it could happen here every day. I see friends post, you know, ridiculous things. And I think, you know, it took me two seconds to determine that that wasn’t true. Uh, and just really, uh, horrifically stupid things.
[00:31:19] There’s a one case in question where some police officers took some, uh, aboriginal youths that hadn’t done anything wrong, put ’em in a police car and drove them several kilometers out of town and dumped ’em on the side of the road on the basis that they couldn’t get up to any mischief if they were. You know, walking, spending all night, walking back to town.
[00:31:38] Now the names of the police officers in that case are suppressed, which has given a carte blanche for people on the internet to claim that Peter Dutton was one of those police officers. But it takes about two seconds to go to trove the newspaper archive dial back in at the time when the names were actually published in the paper and realized that of course it wasn’t.
[00:31:58] Now, now people are putting those things up. Well-meaning people think this is awful. Um, and they’re just not, they’re just not getting it. You, you need to, you need to fact check. Facebook isn’t gonna fact check for you. Facebook thrives on misinformation, face misinformation makes Facebook most of its money.
[00:32:17] Uh, and quite frankly, they wouldn’t care if every single part of Australia burned to a crisp, uh, if they got a dollar out of it. So I don’t think we can rely on social media to give us the facts. We need to, uh, we, we need to do the proper version of do your own research. We need to just like. Watch the news on TV and you know, if you watch commercial news, understand that it’s a short dumbed down version and maybe slightly to the right.
[00:32:43] If you watch a, b, c, understand they might have a bit of a soft lefty heart. As long as you understand what you’re watching, it’s good information. But to pick something up uncritically from the internet is, is a terrible thing. And, and it really is Facebook that has driven a lot of these divisions. I mean, it, it’s just the biggest platform in the world.
[00:33:01] Um, don’t forget that Facebook actually embedded people in Trump’s campaign team. Um, we need to be teaching kids how to discern. We need to be teaching adults how to discern. Um, and, and we need to come together. We need to, you know, stupid things like gather round. I mean, gather round doesn’t seem political at all.
[00:33:21] Um, but hey, people from all over Australia came to this town to celebrate a game, and half of ’em I went home happy. And the other half of ’em still had a good time apart from the result. Um, and so, you know, things like that, things that, the big, the big events, the, the civic events, we don’t have as many. I drove through Meadows today and the Meadows Fair is on, and I couldn’t move.
[00:33:47] And I thought, this is great. People are actually out and about talking to other people, perhaps, you know, buying a Chico roll from someone and, uh, looking at someone’s handmade middle flowers. It’s a, it’s a marvelous thing. We need to do everything we can to be cohesive. Um, we need to reach out to people.
[00:34:02] And every time I see someone that puts information on, I try to respectfully say, um, you know, I, I, I thought that too. I saw that too. So I looked into it and here’s what I found. Aren’t we both silly? Um, and sometimes that works and sometimes they get tolerant of abuse. But, hey, if it works 25% of the time, I feel we’re ahead.
[00:34:24] So we, we just can’t let it happen. We, we, we can’t let it happen. Who do we vote for to stop cultural division? Well, that’s a hard question, but the people, we don’t vote for the people who are pushing cultural division. That would be a start. So, um, every vote that Trump of Patriots get is a vote. Too many.
[00:34:43] These people are liars and bigots and have no place in our electoral system. One nation only comes second because of the depravity of trumpet of patriots. But you can pretty well. Add them together. There’s enough Alex Antic and people like that in the, uh, in the liberal party to make them a complete waste of your vote.
[00:35:06] If you believe in social cohesion, um, I, I, I, I can’t even begin to think that you would vote national, um, if you’re interested in, in social cohesion. So you’re really left with, um, either going to the, you know, the, the parties that are, are minor and small and think everyone should love each other like the greens.
[00:35:25] Um, although they don’t always display that internally. Um. Uh, or, you know, probably labor’s the least wasted option. Um, I think I’ve probably just picked labor every time. Um, it’s simply in terms of dealing with Trump, it’s our best option.
[00:35:40] Steve Davis: You, you have picked labor most of the time in that conversation, but I wonder if you could walk us through your different personas.
[00:35:46] You’ve come up with South Australian voters and how and why you think they might vote the way you do. Because I’ve looked at the list and interestingly, none of them voted labor.
[00:35:58] Robert Godden: That’s an interesting fact, isn’t it? Yes. Um, so what I was trying to do in, in this exercise is I, I, you realize that, you know, your, your friends and neighbors don’t necessarily vote the way you do.
[00:36:11] And I wanted to create some people and I wanted to create positive people with a genuine reason for voting. It’s easy to say someone votes for this party ’cause they’re a right wing, bigger and someone votes for this party ’cause they’re a, you know, communist hiding under my bed. But I wanted to come up with a, a different persona for, for seven different options.
[00:36:31] Or maybe it was eight. Um, and so I, I invented these people and I tried not to make ’em too easy. Um, so, uh, but most, most of ’em fall in. But I, I just wanted to find a positive person who believes that a positive thing will happen in their life if they vote this way and, and, and, you know, their side wins. Um, so, so I started with, uh, Ellie from Goodwood.
[00:36:55] So Ellie is 29 and non-binary. Um, Ellie’s single and shares a rental with. Two friends and has a dog, the dog over amusingly named Baguette for reasons I can’t explain. Um, Ellie Ellie’s a part-time arts worker and part-time cafe barista. You can translate that into poorly paid job and almost non-existent paid job.
[00:37:19] Um, Ellie has a, uh, honors in environmental studies, which is a, a very useful degree at times, but not in this case. Um, early in, this is early in Ellie’s career, really. 29. Finished unit what? 24. Um, just really out there trying to find a place to make the, the mark. Uh, Ellie’s a vegetarian volunteers at the local community garden, uh, is a, a public transport devotee.
[00:37:45] Um, and, uh, and always has a, a keep cup in the handbag, uh, passionate about climate. Um, passionate about housing, uh, would not that surprising given just in a rental with two friends. Um, strong support for First Nation, um, issues, um, believes that we are not, uh, funded sufficiently well for mental health and is highly suspicious of both major parties.
[00:38:16] So, voting
[00:38:16] Steve Davis: green
[00:38:17] Robert Godden: to ask Ellie what? Well, you ask Ellie what she, she, what they want to do with their vote and um, and the quote is, I’m not trying to save the world all at once. I just wanna stop it actually getting worse. Um, so yes, but this is a person that probably voted labor last time. This is a person who started to feel the quickening of, of the environmental cause.
[00:38:40] So, so elevated labor last time because they, it, it seemed like a, a good idea to get labor in and, and dump Scott Morrison. Um, but this time Labor’s been a bit of a disappointment. Uh, Mr. Albanese has come over a bit weak. Um, no, it’s gotta be the greens. So yes, because the greens share Ellie’s urgency.
[00:39:01] Let’s turn now to a voter with a big Ute. So this is Tyler from Lights View. So Tyler’s 21 and male, uh, Tyler lives at home with mom and dad, and he is an apprentice electrician studying a TAFE and doing the whole crawling around ceilings thing that apprentice, uh, electricians do. Um, Tyler is saving for a ute and wants to be independent.
[00:39:28] Um, all Tyler wants is a house with a big ver, a big garage for the Ute. Um. Loves gonna, the gym loves the footy, eats way too much takeaway food, loves, uh, tinkering with cars. Um, one lower taxes. Uh, it’s a big shock to people when they end into the workforce to find out you’ve gotta give some to the government and Tyler doesn’t want any of that.
[00:39:49] Um, dislikes, unions, uh, because when, uh, Tylers missed out on work and construction sites because of it, um, believes in personal effort. Tyler is a hard worker. Um, thought about going into the army and really supports the military and doesn’t believe Australia has a strong enough military, um, look, believes that we need to do something about climate change, but wants to hold that in perspective.
[00:40:10] Does Tyler will never glue himself to the road outside Santos. Um, and, and to ask Tyler why Tyler would vote the way Tyler would vote. Uh, Tyler’s view is, look, I’m not into politics. I just reckon if you work hard, you should get ahead without everyone else sticking their hand in your pocket. So Tyler didn’t vote last time, um, because, uh, didn’t enroll when he should have.
[00:40:36] Um, and now he’s thinking, he’s leaning towards liberals, um, likes the messages about getting rid of red tape. Um, and, and he thinks they’re the only ones that really understand small business. So, uh, and Tyler is not alone. This is a big category of new liberal voters, the, these sort of young liberals between early to mid to late twenties.
[00:40:58] It, it’s a real resurgence, um, that we haven’t seen for many years.
[00:41:02] Steve Davis: And Tyler would be exposed to the chat over smoko with older blokes as well.
[00:41:08] Robert Godden: Yeah, and when you’re an apprentice, um, you’re quite often working closely with people who own the business. And so, you know, most electrical apprentices are, are, um, outside of factories, are are in a van with some guy all day.
[00:41:21] Mm. And it’s either, it’s either the owner of the business or an old timer. Uh, he’ll tell you why they don’t own a business, and that’s because labor and the unions did ’em in, because inevitably that’s what they say. Um, so yeah, look, Tyler is a, Tyler is a, a very real, uh, person, and we should not forget that.
[00:41:43] Between 2016 and the second to last figures, uh, Utes were the top selling cars in Australia. The Ute vote is pretty big. Uh, I was interesting to notice it got knocked off at the last, uh, the last time round by a Toyota RAV4 hybrid, which could also indicate that, uh, they’re not the only Utes, aren’t the only, uh.
[00:42:10] Pla uh, I’m the only platform of, of, uh, car drivers that wanna say some things. Yes. So anyway, that’s title. I’d like to move on to Andrew from All Gate. So this is a guy I enjoyed, uh, making up. Mm-hmm. Um, Andrew from All Gate is, uh, 45 and male. He’s married with two teenage kids, so he has no respect at home.
[00:42:28] We can assume that he’s a high school teacher and a part-time musician. So that’s two thankless jobs. Um, he has a Bachelor of Education. He’s very community focused, you know, he helps out. He, he coaches the football and, but, but he’s balanced. He enjoys his life, really. You know, he is got a, he’s got a lovely family and he lives in a nice place.
[00:42:48] Um, you know, he read, he read crikey, he listens to a, b, c radio national. He, he’s not a serious bloke, but he listens to the serious issues. So he first of all believes that public integrity matters. Nothing makes him un more unhappy than a scandal. Andrew hates a scandal. There’s enough of them. He supports public education, not surprisingly.
[00:43:10] Mm-hmm. And also mental health. ’cause he can see where that needs to to happen. He’s a pragmatic environmentalist, let’s do everything we can without causing ourselves harm the other way. Um, and he hates the culture wars. He hates the fact that people would rather argue about who should use what bathroom than actually work out how to get along.
[00:43:32] Um, he would
[00:43:34] Steve Davis: also, Robert, he would also see the microcosm of those culture wars among the kids who are parroting what they hear parents say and translating that into the schoolyard.
[00:43:45] Robert Godden: Mm. Yeah. Look, he, um, he does, and look, he, he looks at politics and he thinks, you know, I want politicians to do the job. I, I, it’s not reality tv.
[00:43:56] I, I, I don’t like what I’m seeing. It’s not supposed to be entertainment. I. It’s not supposed to be people doing all sorts of, you know, fun stuff and falling off stages and yelling at each other and all this silly stuff. I just want him to actually do the job. Um, and so for him now is in All Gate, which means that he, um, has a very handy, uh, independent, uh, or center Alliance.
[00:44:18] Uh, Rebecca Sharkey voted for her last time, will vote for her again. We’re talking a very popular local member that’s gonna be returned. Um, and, and this is why people like Andrew are, are why they, they know they don’t like what the big guys are doing. They like having, uh, someone that just is a little bit of a, a slight, uh, grain of sand in the political oyster, hopefully creating the odd pearl.
[00:44:39] Steve Davis: Alright, you’ve got another bloke. Can you list as well before we get back to ah,
[00:44:42] Robert Godden: yes. So Mick from Morford Vale, I love Morford Vale. I live in Morford Vale. My office is in Morford Vale. I’m currently sitting in Morford Vale talking to you. Um, so, and I’ve met a lot of people like Mick. So Mick. Uh, he’s 53.
[00:44:56] He’s male. He is, uh, separated and his son is an adult. Uh, he was a truck driver, but sadly he’s on compo now after a load fell on him. Um, and, you know, he’s kind of feeling left behind. Uh, he, he studied, um, for a, uh, a trade at one point as a teenager, but then he got into truck driving and it’s been good to him, but now he can’t do it.
[00:45:22] Um, and so as he separated, it’s a bit of a lonely existence. So he ends up just eating a lot of pies, which is, you know, the best cure for loneliness that I can think of. Um, he watches Sky News after Dark. Oh. And he misses how things used to be, you know, when he was 25 and everything was great and. Go with his mates down the pub and um, and they’d had a laugh and, and, and he just wants to know why those days aren’t here anymore.
[00:45:51] Um, the lockdowns made him very angry back in Covid times because it stopped him doing his job. Um, he’d noticed that the, there’s a lot more faces in more of other don’t look like he does. And he, he’s starting to get suspicious that, um, these people that are coming into the country are actually taking jobs he could do.
[00:46:12] And, and the reason he’s thinking that is ’cause he’s being told that by various political parties. Um, and he feels ignored by mainstream politics. He doesn’t believe that. Um. No matter how many times Mr. Albanese and Mr. Dutton put on a high vis, they’re not really the friends of the working man. Um, and he distrust mainstream media.
[00:46:32] You know, he just thinks these guys are, you know, I, I, I can’t believe what the advertiser tells me. And they’re also telling me they can’t believe the A, B, C and maybe should believe that part of it. And he just thinks I’ll just do my own research. Mm-hmm.
[00:46:47] Steve Davis: So who’s he gonna vote for?
[00:46:49] Robert Godden: Lemme tell you what he thinks.
[00:46:50] He thinks. It used to be simple. You work hard, you get ahead. Now, I’ve worked hard all my life and, you know, my tax money’s paying for someone else’s Netflix. So he voted one Nation last time. And the reason he voted One Nation is that. He likes what Pauline has to say. ’cause she doesn’t su sugarcoat it.
[00:47:11] Now he hears Clive Palmer saying a lot of the same things, but he doesn’t trust Clive. There’s something about Clive. No, no, no, no, no. So he, he votes for Pauline every time sh a mouth. He believes he’s talking about things that actually affect him, unlike all the other politicians.
[00:47:28] Steve Davis: Wow. Okay. Let’s, let’s turn our attention to someone else then.
[00:47:33] Robert Godden: So let’s talk about Tanya from two Wells. If we go south, we’ve gotta go north. Gotta be a, a equal opportunity. Fictitious people here. So, Tanya’s 39 comes from two wells. Um, she’s married and she’s homeschooling for kids. She used to be a beauty, beauty therapist. She has a certificate in beauty therapy in fact.
[00:47:51] But now she’s a full-time parent. So she, she spends her days, uh, teaching the kids. She spends her nights looking up stuff on the internet that she should be teaching her kids to prepare them for the real world. Um, not the world that the media would have you believe. Um, she, DIY, everything. This is a lady that can strip down a car, she can build a shed, she can milk a cow.
[00:48:16] Um, she dreams of being completely off grid. She hasn’t probably got the finance to get everything she needs, but she’s gradually collecting stuff. Bit of a hoarder.
[00:48:24] Lizzie Hosking: Mm-hmm.
[00:48:24] Robert Godden: But she’s planned to be entirely off grid, ideally off grid, and build a big wall. Um, she doesn’t believe that other countries operate in Australia’s interests.
[00:48:34] She thinks Australia first is a key. She should, we should be thinking about Australia. We should be ignoring everything about other companies, countries. She believes in medical freedom. She doesn’t believe people should have been forced to take vaccines and she distrusts vaccines. Um, for all the discredited reasons.
[00:48:53] And she believes that she’s a patriot. She believes by saying these things. Australia, she’s standing up for Australia in a way that other people just don’t get. She’s gonna vote a certain way because she believes that the main parties are corrupt and that there’s, uh, the media are complicit in pretending it’s not happening.
[00:49:13] So last time she voted United Australia party, but this time round she’s got the fabulous trumpet of Patriots because they get it and they’re not scared to say it. She believes they’re the only party standing up for families like her.
[00:49:28] Steve Davis: Goodness me. Are you anticipating them to get many votes in South Australia?
[00:49:33] Robert Godden: No. Last time we got 5% of the vote nationally for UAP. Yeah. I can’t see him getting much more than that this time. Uh, I’ve never really understood why he even bothers. So I’d like to take one more made up person. Yep. Probably my favorite made up person. Okay. Right? Yes. No, because they’re a clown. Or anything funny or anything like that.
[00:49:52] Just because I, I put a lot of time to think of this person up. So this is Jade, and Jade is 37 and lives in Christie’s Beach and is female. Jade lives with her partner and has two young kids now. She’s a, uh, part-time childcare worker as a significant three in early childhood education. She’s actually studying online to be a social worker, but that’s gonna take her many years.
[00:50:14] She’s busy, she’s financially stretched, but she’s hopeful. She really thinks she’s, she’s at a point where she’s working. Uh, her kids are coming along well. Her partner’s got a good job. She really feels hopeful about the future. Um, I. Look, budgeting is hard for Jade. She’s just not quite got enough money.
[00:50:37] So she loves gonna Kmart buying something cheap that looks expensive and sticking in a, in an unusual place in a, in a house. Um, she’s tired of politics. Absolutely had a gut full. Um, all she wants is some fairly simple things. She wants to be able to put the kids in childcare and not have it cost her too much of her wages.
[00:51:00] She’s struggling with the cost of living. Absolutely. And she doesn’t believe politicians are helping when they talk about a few bucks off your tax in two years time, or 12 bucks off your petrol, but only for a year. Um, she dreams of buying a home, but realistically, how possible is that every time she gets halfway to a deposit, the amount she needs doubles.
[00:51:25] She wants to believe that. Things are possible. She wants to believe things can get better. She hasn’t lost that spark. Um, look, she, so when you ask Jade what, how’s she gonna vote? She said, look, what it comes down to is this, this year was the year we were gonna start saving for a house, but then we got a massive power bill and all the money went on that.
[00:51:48] So last time Jade voted labor mm-hmm. She thought labor gave her a better opportunity than the Morrison government, but she doesn’t believe they’ve changed much. So Jade is a swinging voter. She might vote for labor, she might vote for the greens, she might vote for an independent, she might donkey vote because it’s just too hard to care.
[00:52:11] She just wants to find a politician who actually feels what it’s like. To live week in, week out in a household where you’re just not quite got enough money and that the swinging voter is a massive group in this election, a massive group, and Jade is, is representative of so many people out there that don’t wanna waste their vote, but who the hell do they vote for to make their own life better?
[00:52:45] Steve Davis: Intriguingly leaves us with two questions. The second to last one is, what issue is going to be the main one if there is such a thing or the main clutch that will help Jade, but others determine their vote in South Australia?
[00:53:01] Robert Godden: Well, we know it’s cost of living. We absolutely know that every, every survey, every, uh, poll says cost of living by a considerable margin.
[00:53:11] And the major parties are tinkling around the edges and parties like the green and the um, and the far right parties are making outrageous claims ’cause they know they never have to live up to ’em. If, uh, greens promised every, uh, Australian, you know, a hundred thousand dollars in a pony, they, they’re not gonna have to cough it up.
[00:53:28] And if they are, they’ll change their mind after election day and say, well, we thought there was more money in the Treasury. Um, so look, I think any party who’d actually make a significant difference to the cost of living now, I don’t know, I can only think of one case where a party or a political decision has made a significant overnight decision that, uh, changed the cost of living.
[00:53:47] And that was at the very start of covid. The Morrison government made the decision to double the unemployment benefit, and that suddenly meant that people who had. Struggled to eat, could now live on top of that. They couldn’t find a job because there were no jobs. It was covid. So they lost the stress and the harassment that they get and they suddenly had twice as much money.
[00:54:12] It was spectacularly successful. It increased the amount of money that was going through the supermarket. Shellman, Coles and Woolworths made a moza over Covid and uh, and probably in a way that suited them ’cause people were racing in buying everything. Couldn’t racing out ideal for supermarket. I, I think any political party that.
[00:54:30] That had a chance of winning, so therefore exclude the greens that promised an increase in the money in your pocket. You, you could do that by, um, firstly, people who are on a benefit giving ’em more money. The idea that the government has to run a budget and has to run a surplus is, is a nonsense anyway.
[00:54:48] Uh, they control the Australian dollar, they control taxation. They can do what they like, they just make the money up. Um, quantitative easing as it’s called, so the government could simply make more money available in the economy by making it, making it available to people who are on benefits and maybe some form of a, um, you know, a universal basic income is something people talk about.
[00:55:11] And that’s a really interesting idea where you just give every single person in the country, I don’t know, 300 bucks, um, every week and, um. And then there’s sort of various supplements. I mean, if you look at the cost of the Dole system and the way the most of the money is spent in enforcement, they spend a lot more money clawing people back from clawing money back from people than they, than the actual value of the money.
[00:55:35] Steve Davis: But that feels so righteous though.
[00:55:37] Robert Godden: It does, it feels so righteous. The same, in the same way that, you know, fraud represents less than a quarter of a percent of the NDIS, but it was the only thing Bill Shorten could talk about for four years because it feels so righteous. Um, and I think, uh, I think, yeah, but, but I think that either.
[00:55:58] If, if, if Peter Dutton want, wants to win this election, let’s say at all costs at all he has to do is chuck money at people, literally Chuck mate, not, not we’re gonna do this, not we’re gonna do this. Not trickle down, not trickle sideways. Um, because none of that stuff works. If Peter Dutton said to the electorate, if you all vote for me, I will give you 300 bucks a week from now until the next election job done.
[00:56:25] Because no matter what your persuasion, no matter how you think that is, there is enough people out there that 300 bucks a week is the difference between a successful week and, and what they’re putting up with that they would go for it. Yeah. It is the number one issue. People just don’t have enough money.
[00:56:42] Steve Davis: You did say then job done just before your job is done. Last question. What advice do you give us as voters in essays? We head to the polls. How can we get clarity, prepare ourselves? Do the right thing.
[00:56:56] Robert Godden: Okay. So the first thing I always do is I download the Senate paper because there’s over a hundred candidates, and you don’t wanna find out about that when you go into the uh, booth.
[00:57:07] You wanna make a informed decision beforehand. I go in with a cheat sheet that tells me how I’m gonna vote. I print it out and do it because I personally like to look at each candidate and assess them. Now, if you are not that sort of person, well, what a shame time. You took up a new hobby and become that sort of person.
[00:57:26] But let’s suppose you haven’t got time between now and the lecture because things like, you know, you have a life. Um, so what you can do is just go to something like the ABC’s Political Explainer. Um, I love the Vote Compass, uh, on the A, b, C. You go in there, it, it asks you what you think of every single policy and then it tells you how you should vote and it’s superb.
[00:57:50] Um, it has steered me in a way I’ve never voted before. And I, and I suspect it will be su successful. Hmm. Okay. I agree with its analysis from what’s important to me. Um, and, and so it is great. So to me, to me something like Vote Compass now, vote Compass is a substitute for having a political discussion, learning about it, getting up at five 30 in the morning and watching the National Press Club speeches and things like, and this sort of stuff I do.
[00:58:17] But it’s, it’s a good, it’s a good substitute. So if, if you, if we’re a few weeks out from the election, if you wanna know what you should do, go to a, b, c vote compass. It’s not gonna trick you into voting the greens or labor. Um, it’s just gonna ask you what’s important. And interestingly enough, once it’s asked you what’s important, it tells you which way to vote.
[00:58:39] But then you have a second option of saying, now that I’ve told you all the things are important, you can rank them in importance to you. It might be five labor, part labor policies that I love. But there might be three liberal policies, but the three liberal party policies might be one, two, and three on my list of stuff I need done.
[00:59:00] So go through the whole thing and then rank those things and just, um, see. So my, my Vote Compass results were interesting. Firstly, it, it told me I was the ideal political commentator.
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[00:59:14] Robert Godden: literally took me. It literally put me in the center of left and right and the center of conservative, progressive in terms of, um, yeah, I, I was literally on the cross hairs.
[00:59:24] That was me in the middle.
[00:59:25] Steve Davis: You might be on the cross hairs actually.
[00:59:28] Robert Godden: Yeah, I could well be. Um, and there was only one party close to the cross hairs, to be fair. Um, there’s a lot of action at the opposite ends, so I think that, uh, but it’s an interesting exercise and I think everyone should do it regardless, um, whether it’s gonna sway you or not.
[00:59:42] And I’ve done it every year since it’s been around and, and I just found it a great tool. So that’s the tool I would use. Um, the other thing that you really should consider is your South Australian. And if you’re South Australian, you’ve got a really interesting situation. I mean, we’ve got a premier that is, you know, top draw, whether you like the guy, he gets stuff done.
[01:00:08] You know, he, I, I personally don’t like his style. He runs rough shot over people. Um, I, I think the uni merger was just basically just bullied him into it. Uh, but he gets stuff done and, um, there’s very little dissent here. There’s very little, there’s, we’re not marching in the streets saying mal out. Um, you know, we’re just turning up at gather round
[01:00:29] Steve Davis: except ramping, I don’t think much has been done on ramping.
[01:00:33] That’s gonna be his, the number
[01:00:34] Robert Godden: one thing we’re supposed to fix. Ambulance drivers were saying at the last election, if you don’t vote for Peter Malus, people are gonna die in ambulances. Well, guess what
[01:00:42] Steve Davis: they have.
[01:00:43] Robert Godden: Um, and yet they’ve managed to sell that. By basically just dusting off Stephen Marshall’s answer, ah, yes, we’re working on it.
[01:00:51] But these things take time, uh, and we don’t forget. We’ve got, uh, you know, 37 beds coming on in due cause. Don’t forget so much of this problem is we, we need to lay at the, the fault of the, uh, the weather or government and they’re transforming health, which was an absolute shamozzle, just absolute stupidity.
[01:01:11] It’s what happens when bureaucrats decide to design a medical system as opposed to listening to medical people. Um, and even, even some really basic stuff, like all the, all the, uh, national, all the international advice and international expertise says you do not need to locate your women’s and children’s hospitals together.
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[01:01:31] Robert Godden: Like the only one that, that’s is Boston, which is the biggest one in the world, but the, the international expertise is you don’t do that. You build two completely different purpose-built things, but they has pushed it through. Sometimes a benevolent dictator who’s actually got a brain is a better option than a well-meaning but ineffective leader.
[01:01:52] And I think we look around the country and we see a few of those. Um, we see states that have just plagued by natural disasters like Queensland. I mean, the poor guy that took over there, Christopher Foley when he took, I mean he’s had what, three floods since he’s been in. Uh, you know, he was voted to deal with law and order, um, and, and yet he’s dealing with floods.
[01:02:11] So I think we’re very lucky. We we’re tally stable, we’re politically stable. We’ve got a good, strong leadership. Um, we, to be fair, we’ve got a rabble of an opposition and I’d like that to be much improved. It will be when Ashton Hearn, um, takes the job and a few of the dinosaurs are cleared out. Um, that’s on my calendar for about 2026.
[01:02:33] Um, see how that goes after they lose. Um. And, uh, I think that, uh, you know, I think we’re lucky. I think we’re very, very lucky. Trump isn’t gonna knock us off. Uh, what happens federally isn’t gonna knock us off. We are gonna stay a strong and vibrant state, and you do have the luxury of voting for the people who you like the ideas of.
[01:02:53] It’d be nice to see more ideas, but none of us here I think are forced into a, a decision. I I think we are very lucky that we have the luxury of being able to cast the vote for the person and parties that suits us.
[01:03:08] Steve Davis: On that note, it’s always a pleasure having you here. May you not spill source from your election day sausage on your t-shirt.
[01:03:19] And, uh, I look forward to hearing you with your early call on election night. Uh, Nigel Dobson former. Part of this podcast is coming over to my place that night to watch Don’s party with Graham Kennedy. Um, and so we’ll expect a call from you at some point, Robert Godden to, uh, call the election well before Anthony Green from the A, BC.
[01:03:42] Oh, yeah. I, I’m, I’m, I’m thinking of calling it the day before. Well, you’ve kind of called it already in this podcast, but I,
[01:03:48] Robert Godden: I have, and I’ve called Rob Face, called it. I’ve certainly called this, um, my own electorate. That’s a no brainer. Kingston will be retained by Amanda RidgeWorth and, um, I, I’m holding off on the basis of some something miraculous might happen, but it rarely does.
[01:04:02] Thank you. Robert Godon, goodbye.
[01:04:04] Charles Firth: Hello, I’m Charles Fir and the Chase. You are listening to the Adelaide Show, and I’ve been told that I’ve gotta give some useful advice to you. So my advice is stop listening to this show.
[01:04:17] Steve Davis: The interview you’re about to hear was recorded on Good Friday, 2025 in the studios of five aa.
[01:04:25] Richard Pascoe had me on as a guest and we were talking about the cemetery tour and an open day being held at St. Mary’s Anglican Church on Saturday, may the 17th, 2025 from 10:00 AM. To 2:00 PM now my parents are involved in that church. That’s how I heard about this particular event. But when I saw the detailed history they had on who’s buried there, I knew there was a story and it really piqued my interest.
[01:04:51] My curiosity about South Australia, I hope you enjoy it.
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[01:05:00] Steve Davis: This is Richard Pasco,
[01:05:07] Richard Pascoe: and thank you for joining me this afternoon in the studio with me right now. My very good friend, Steve Davis. Good afternoon, Steve. Good afternoon, Richard. Happy Easter. And same to you. You know, I’m avoiding the happy Good Friday bit because, um, you, well, I mean you used it once. That’s all right. That’s all right.
[01:05:23] Let’s see. I haven’t done it this for you this year, folks, so, yes. Just to remind people, we do have, uh, former Premier Lynn Arnold coming on at about 1230 today to talk about the religious side of Easter and to forgive you for all your sins. Yeah. Good luck for that. Say yes on there. Say yes. That’s a good all afternoon, Steve.
[01:05:42] Good heavens. Say yes.
[01:05:45] Steve Davis: Well, that’ll fill up the show.
[01:05:46] Richard Pascoe: It will be too. No, I appreciate you coming in on Good Friday. I really do. What are we talking about today?
[01:05:51] Steve Davis: Well, it’s interesting there is a link because Tracy just mentioned men sheds, um, before in talking about men having spaces to talk to each other.
[01:06:00] Yep. And what I’m talking about today is actually something deep underground. A bit of South Australian history at St. Mary’s, Anglican Church at St. Mary’s. Right. And they have a men shed there. I know that. ’cause my dad was involved in running that one. You’ve met my dad before. I have too.
[01:06:16] Richard Pascoe: The stories he told me about you.
[01:06:17] Good heavens. Oh, why did I bring that up?
[01:06:19] Steve Davis: Anyway, so look, I’m wearing two hats because. Today I am got the Adelaide Show Podcast hat on ’cause we are getting into some South Aussie history, but also talked about marketing. It’s a couple of marketing things. And what I wanna do is contrast simple pleasures of South Australia with some disarming truths.
[01:06:37] Oh, and, and I’ll just, let’s start right at the beginning. My dad said, can you please mention the fact they’re having a big open day at the St. Mary’s Church on Saturday, may the 17th from 10 till two. And part of that is a cemetery tour. They’ve got a cemetery there. And I thought, oh, okay. Interesting.
[01:06:57] People love cemetery tour. Oh, they do. As But this one we are going, we’re gonna dig up some interesting facts. Right. I’m glad you put it that way. Good because. It’s like the, the founders of South Australia. Let me get into some of these, and I just a quick word, word of warning. If you’re eating lunch at the moment, just push your plate aside.
[01:07:19] It’s
[01:07:19] Richard Pascoe: 1124. It’s too early
[01:07:21] Steve Davis: or an early lunch if you’re having an early, well, if you’re eating. Anything. Right? Just put a sort of started, put the hot
[01:07:27] Richard Pascoe: cross bun down now or say yes. Exactly.
[01:07:30] Steve Davis: Uh, so here we go. Back in the 18 hundreds, south Australia was advertised as the place you should go. No convicts, come.
[01:07:39] Get free passage, work hard, do earn a stuff. You’ll be fantastic. You have a great time. This, well,
[01:07:46] Richard Pascoe: I can’t see that working for SA tourism at the moment.
[01:07:50] Steve Davis: Well this, the interesting thing is this cemetery reminds us that life in South Australia back then in Adelaide was actually had a brutal reality to it.
[01:08:00] But before we get to that bit, so you can still have the last mouthful, A couple of nice things. Richard Hamilton. Richard Hamilton Wines, most of us are familiar. He’s considered the father of the wine industry here in South Australia. Um. He’s buried in there along with um, hi his family as well, and they came out in 1837 on Aship, called the Catherine Forbes.
[01:08:24] What intrigues my marketing brain is when you know you’ve got someone of this caliber buried there, if I had a cafe or a pub or a restaurant around this area, I would be having Richard Hamilton Wine, at least one or two on the menu. Oh,
[01:08:40] Richard Pascoe: yeah.
[01:08:40] Steve Davis: As a talking point, yes. That this is. This is where it all happened.
[01:08:44] Why
[01:08:44] Richard Pascoe: wouldn’t he? Yeah. Why wouldn’t
[01:08:45] Steve Davis: he do it? Yeah. Uh, so I mean that’s, this is why my marketing side of my brain loves reading these histories. But then we get into this interesting thing. Benjamin Herschel Babbage, you’ve never heard of him, have you? No. No. Well, Babbage might ring a bell because his dad was Charles Babbage.
[01:09:00] He was a professor of maths at Cambridge. He invented the first calculating machine. He was basically the father of modern computers. Yeah. Your whole career, Richard is a babbage. Is, is he can trace it back to Babbage. And his son is buried at this cemetery at St. Mary’s Anglican Church in St. Mary’s. And I didn’t realize he’s got some
[01:09:20] Richard Pascoe: big names there.
[01:09:21] Haven’t they? Really?
[01:09:22] Steve Davis: They have. If this, if you know how they have these, um, concert, uh, that, that travel around Australia with headline acts and everything. I reckon St. Mary’s has got a pretty decent one when it comes to our founders. Um, the other thing that I thought was interesting is I. He wasn’t a slouch, this babbage that your career is based on.
[01:09:39] He, he was a, an explorer, a railway builder. Waterworks engineer. An mp, the first government, gold assayer, and a lay reader. And he also built his own home. He had a, a home made of wood. It burned down, but then he built, that can happen. A cement castle. Oh, which crumbled a few years later. Now, when you heard cement castle, did you think that nothing good is gonna come of this?
[01:10:07] Nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yes. Um, but probably one of the most intriguing ones. James Penn is buried there. Uh, he was the first person, I believe he was buried. He was the great nephew of William Penn who founded the Quakers in Pennsylvania. This cemetery is the who’s who I was gonna say of everyone now. He actually came out on the boat at 81 years of age.
[01:10:31] Richard Pascoe: They did that back then though Steve would much it,
[01:10:34] Steve Davis: would you go on a rickety ship at 81 years of age to a place where, you know, civilization, as we know it hasn’t quite got up to snuff yet.
[01:10:44] Richard Pascoe: Would you do that? We would have to know before you did that. To go is things so, uh, are things so bad? It’s that I’m 81 years old.
[01:10:52] I’ve had enough. I’m getting on the ship. Let, if we go,
[01:10:55] Steve Davis: let’s read the Airbnb reviews. Exactly right. Hasn’t got at least four stars. Yes. Well, he came here, he lasted a year. And then he died a scurvy. He ended up in the cemetery as well. But what was interesting, he was on a boat with the Buco, a famous family, uh, here, um, because the son of the Buco became a premier of South Australia twice.
[01:11:18] Uh, now here’s something interesting. The Buco family had a thing where the men were all buried on top of each other, and the women were all buried on top of each other. It was segregation. What do you put that down to? I don’t know the answer. Richard. I’m looking to you
[01:11:33] Richard Pascoe: sign of the time. Steve. I’m being very discreet when I go look and say this.
[01:11:38] It might have been
[01:11:38] Steve Davis: Victorian discretion. Yeah.
[01:11:40] Richard Pascoe: You know,
[01:11:41] Steve Davis: you don’t wanna get up
[01:11:42] Richard Pascoe: to
[01:11:42] Steve Davis: anything,
[01:11:42] Richard Pascoe: but I I know that in, uh, I saw something on, on, you know, the, the morum in, in for famous families in New York.
[01:11:50] Steve Davis: Yeah.
[01:11:50] Richard Pascoe: Uh, the men and the women are separated. Mm-hmm. Interesting. You think of any time
[01:11:55] Steve Davis: it was a Billy Joel says, we all die alone.
[01:11:57] Well, that would’ve been a chance to at least have some union after. After. So,
[01:12:00] Richard Pascoe: yeah.
[01:12:01] Steve Davis: Now this is where we take the turn. You might wanna push that plate away.
[01:12:05] Richard Pascoe: Alright, here we go. What is, don’t cross
[01:12:07] Steve Davis: button down people. What is the tagline for the New South Australian Tourism Campaign? Have, has it sunk into you yet?
[01:12:12] No. Simple pleasures. Yes. They advertise the big long lunch. You get back to simple pleasures. Well, we ask ourselves, is there historical precedent? Is South Australia always the place that’s advertised this? Well have a listen to this. Some university people in the early two thousands dug up a whole bit of the cemetery of the Paupers area where poor people were buried.
[01:12:35] And here’s what they found. One of the professors said, I’ve never seen ribs like this. And you know why they broke the body up into smaller pieces to fit it in ’cause they couldn’t afford a bigger coffin.
[01:12:49] Richard Pascoe: I’ve actually heard about that. Good to say. I did see that in the recent Jack Reacher TV series in there to get him under a desk.
[01:12:55] So he busted him up to get him under the desk. So yes, I did see that. Not spoiling things for people. Apologies if you haven’t seen the end of Reacher,
[01:13:02] Steve Davis: if only Reacher came out to St. Mary’s Anglican Church. Yeah. Can you imagine? Uh, now here’s, there’s two other things. Teeth. Professor Renata Hanenburg was one of the people she, uh, is experienced in examining teeth.
[01:13:13] Her theory is many people living at that time would’ve just lived with excruciating pain. They would’ve all the time. Yep. There were huge cavities. Uh, a tooth half eaten up with cavities still connected to the jaw, and even one, this is the worst bit. Then it gets better after this. There was one infection went down to the root.
[01:13:32] The bone was rotting and producing a lot of pus. The pus had opened a hole in the bone and was released through the hole. And this is probably what killed her. It would’ve been, yeah. It just boggles your mind to think that would be the case today.
[01:13:49] Richard Pascoe: But we’ve learned from especially the Travis Brown, who you know very well the segments, um, on here, you know that, that.
[01:13:57] What we discover in there has taught us what we’ve got today. Mm-hmm. And we’ve gotta remember that. So those people sacrifice their teeth so that we’ve got dentists today.
[01:14:06] Steve Davis: I’ve got one more wild card. This is the Easter weekend in the Bible you hear about lepers. Yep. They discovered one man had leprosy buried in that church ground at St.
[01:14:21] Mary’s Leprosy in the 18 hundreds in South Australia. There we go. But the whole point of sharing this, apart from it being fascinating to remember, our history is. It just fires up gratitude for me of what we’ve actually been able to achieve. Oh yeah. That so few of us need to do this. I mean, fluoride in the water to start with made a major impact in fighting against all those cavities.
[01:14:50] But now we’ve got people who are fighting against any evidence-based approach to things, um, you know, all sorts of medicines, vaccines, et cetera. And yet it’s become, measles was one of the biggest killers back then. Yeah. Making a big comeback in the United States at the moment. It is. And yet it’s short term memory.
[01:15:09] Yeah. If, if we, one of the values apart from thinking of the historical people who are here is what they lived through and how, what they endured that we forget ’cause we didn’t know, uh, is just that reminder to say, you know what? I think we need to take stock and not just give into any, you know, conspiracy theories that are floating around, but just remember where we’ve come from and, and as Dr.
[01:15:31] Travis Brown would show, it’s it’s experimentation, it’s trial and error, it’s development over time. But when you’re on a good thing. Stick to it. Exactly right. Alen tool would say. So there you go.
[01:15:42] Richard Pascoe: Thank you Steve. Thank you for coming in today. Really appreciate it. Where do people find out more about you?
[01:15:46] Steve Davis: Well, there’s the Adelaide Show podcast for all sorts of fascinating, um, interviews about interesting South Australians, or talked about marketing.com.
[01:15:55] Richard Pascoe: Very good. Steve Davis, you’ll be back with me when, um, I return.
[01:15:59] Steve Davis: Exactly. Wow. That’s a very Easter thing to have said. That’s exactly
[01:16:03] Richard Pascoe: right. Thank you Steve.
[01:16:05] Steve Davis talked about marketing
[01:16:15] Theme: and now it’s time for the musical pilgrimage.
[01:16:19] Steve Davis: In the musical pilgrimage. We’re going to return to Lizzie Hosking. We’ve played one of her tracks before. I think it’s time for another one. This one’s called Can’t Figure You Out. Uh, Lizzie has, I dunno. How to describe it. I’m not sure how she likes it being described, but I think she’s got a rather breathy and hearty voice.
[01:16:38] It’s a clear, clean, strong voice. Uh, it draws you close. And I think this number is a perfect one to showcase her singing style. It has that intimate sense about a, a sultry jazz feel, it’s called Can’t Figure You Out. And I chose it because frankly, I can’t figure out who is worthy of my vote. It’s, it is still going to be the process of elimination.
[01:17:06] Let’s have a listen though. Let’s distract ourselves for a moment and reflect on other people. We can’t figure out, such as partners. We are finding hard to fathom.
[01:17:31] Lizzie Hosking: It means nothing.
[01:18:18] You
[01:18:24] don’t.
[01:20:03] Steve Davis: Lizzie Hoskin can’t figure you out. And that’s it. I hope this episode has helped you figure out some things to do with your voting at the federal election 2025, if you hear that in time. Also should mention Lizzie. I’ve got a link to her in the show notes. She’s on Spotify, she’s everywhere on all the socials.
[01:20:20] Enjoy her music. Until next time, it’s good night for me, Steve Davis. Goodnight, Dawn.
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